Hypocrisy how you say Mon are overlapping with Khmer, Sundanese and Javanese covered by Malay but Dali/Nanzhao is not covered by Chinese.
Youâre being rather rude. Make sure to check my previous comments before making such criticisms. As Iâve already clearly stated, I made this map a year ago and would make changes now, including adding Assamese to an updated version.
Iâd also add Nanzhao. Represents the Bai ethnic group, and the language of the elite being Chinese does not mean the culture and state were the same as the Chinese civ we have.
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The Lenca would be an interesting civ for central america. City examples: Yarumela, Tenampua. They also build temple pyramids, and had walled cities.
I think Romani and Romanians are two different things
Romani is just the word the Romanians used to refer to themselves, and itâs endonym. Romanian is exonym. I canât find a better term to group Romanian and Moldavian together, and also avoid confounding with citizenship.
Uh? I think youâre mixing things together, the Romani are an ethnic group which came from South Asia and started migrating into Europe in the Late Middle Ages while the Romanians are descendants of the latin speaking peoples in Eastern Europe. Sure there are many Romani people in Romania, but they are still distinct peoples.
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Youâre reading too much Han nationalist propaganda. Just because they used Sinitic characters on their documents doesnât mean they were of Sinitic descent. The classical Sinitic language was like the Latin of East Asia back in the days, peoples like the Koreans, the Japanese, and the Vietnamese all used classical Sinitic language on their documents, yet they werenât of Sinitic descent.
And also the ethnic identity of the ruling elite of Nanzhao/Dali is still controversial, some say they were Bai while others say they were Yi or Dai.
And itâs also debatable that the Bo referred to the Bai. The Bo likely referred to another group of people with the hanging coffin tradition which the Bai donât have. IMO the Bo was likely more similar to the Raeu (Liao) or the Baipu in ancient Sinitic records, likely of Austroasiatic or Kradai origins.
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Well-said bro, thanks for your support. He obviously reads too much Han nationalist propaganda and is clueless about East Asian history.
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Well Mon and Khmer speak very similar languages (often being classified under the same Mon-Khmer group of Austroasiatic) and their cultures are also extremely similar, so yes thereâs gonna be a huge overlap.
As for Sundanese and Javanese covered by the Malay, well the in-game Malay corresponds largely to Majapahit, which was a Javanese kingdom. So it means that the devs likely grouped all three together under the same banner.
And the concept of a unified âHan Chineseâ ethnic group did not even exist at that time, not to mention that the Bai, Yi, and Dai languages are all different from Sinitic. So of course they werenât covered by Chinese.
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Isnât the Chinese writing system made so you could read it the same no matter which language you speak anyway?
Correction: they didnât use Chinese language, only the writing system.
Nope thatâs not the case, youâd have to learn how to read and write it. The classical written form of Sinitic is not compatible with any language, not even with its spoken forms.
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Thatâs what I meant when I said they used it on their documents, but not in speaking.
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The early date is more than fine, and even the later one is acceptable IMO. Whatâs the bigger issue is the general lack of knowing what they were up to in the several hundred years prior to contact. If new data came out tomorrow showing the Confederation was actually founded in 500 AD, the lack of information beyond that would still be a limitation. I donât think founding or unification dates are always that important (as long as itâs within the game timeframe, given that many cultures were not formally united as empires or kingdoms in their equivalents of the Dark, Feudal, or sometimes even Castle Ages). Itâs okay if a culture only becomes a unified kingdom or empire in the time corresponding to the Imperial Age, especially if they were influential before then. I think dates become much harder limits when theyâre relevant to certain weapons or technologies being developed or used - for this reason I donât think any American civ designed to get gunpowder/horses via Spanish contact should get them before Imp.
True. Iâm not generally one to worry about being PC, but I know the Puebloans/Hisatsinom have specifically asked not to be called Anasazi (even though I understand its use as a legacy term and have several books that call them that). So I would highly recommend a different term.
But in more recent times theyâve disowned it, so thatâs worth respecting.
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lol, itâs the tricky part. What you said is Gypsies. Bear in mind, they are also called âRomaâ. You canât say others mixed things up when they are talking the city with this people.
Here is the first sentence from âRomaniansâ entry. You can see the Romanian endonym.
The Romanians (Romanian: români , pronounced ############################################################################### dated exonym Vlachs ) are a Romance-speaking[55][56][57][58] ethnic group.
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Gipsy is not only an exonym, itâs one that is more and more perceived as pejorative. And Roma is actually the shorter version of romani. I didnât know Romanians called themselves Români, but thereâs a difference between an exonym which is just the same name which evolved from a different pronunciation and one with a different ethimology. For instance, by this point it would feel weird if French people and the French language started being called Français in English, yet thatâs what we call ourselves in day to day life. Using Români in the English version of the game would just be confusing for everyone.
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The confederation is important for why one would pick Iroquois/Haudenosaunee in the first place. It allowed them to become the hegemon of the region in the timeframe AoE3 is set, but in the timeframe of AoE2 they were likely just one of many similar polities in the region. I think it would be better to pick their Algonquin neighbours instead since the little information that is known would be largely applicable to them as well and they are also mentioned in Viking accounts. A proper campaign based on the interactions between the Vikings and Skraelings would also be great.
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True of the Algonquins as well though, no? Not a bad idea, of course (Iâve proposed Algonquins in another thread). Although they would be a very umbrella-y umbrella civ, which is good for covering area, but contrasts with the more cohesive identity and organization of the Haudenosaunee, even if they became most relevant in the AoE3 period. But yes, the Viking angle is a fan favorite, and a fine reason to go with an Algonquian umbrella. Ideally I think Algonquins/Hauds/Mississippian/Hisatsinom could be added, but the way things are going, Iâd be almost surprised to get even 1 of them within the next 5 years. Rome and consoles (pun intended) and whatnot.
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Regarding how âKievâ changed to âKyivâ in English, nothing weird or confusing. Itâs easy to change âFrenchâ to â Francaisâ in English if you want.
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Croatian empire? Well then we can have Calicut empire too lol
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