First of all, most players playing the Mongols play primarily with infantry, contradicting their characteristic history. Playing a nation whose history revolves around archery from horseback with such a style of gameplay doesn’t fully engage the player with the Mongol spirit. The main reason for this is that the Mangudai, who should be the Mongols’ identity and strategic center(read some history), were very weak against armored units in the feudal and castle ages. While Mangudai could counter armored units in the imperial age, their weakness in earlier ages remains logically unclear. If Mangudai can counter knight and maa in the imperial age, why can’t they do so in earlier ages? If they can’t do this in earlier ages, why can they do it in the imperial age? I think balance is needed, not buffs. This is why, first and foremost, the use of the siha bow technology in the castle age should be researched, as it was in the past .
Because they’d probably be OP.
We all know that Keshik is the weakest knight in the game compared to knights from other civilizations. Mangudai exists to address this weakness, and I’m sure it was designed for this purpose by the developers. What I’m talking about here isn’t a buff, but rather a balance of development across ages.
I think you’re a few years late on this post. Nowadays creating Mangudai/Keshik in the Feudal Age is very much meta on the way to Fast Imperial Khaganate Palace.
Yeah, but I think the fast-imperial doesn’t work well against fast age-up civs. Like the Abbasid, Chinese, KT, Delhi, Zhu Xi… Why don’t top players use it in tournaments?
What I’m clearly referring to here isn’t the Mangudai’s weakness, but the power distribution between ages. While insanely strong in the Imperial age, they have weak DPS in the Castle age against the armor upgrades of other units. That’s why most players prefer to use generic crossbowman or archer(+1ap and +range) in early ages, contrary to Mongol spirit I’m talking about. I just don’t understand why the siha-bow was moved from the Castle age to the Imperial age. It’s obviously a castle age upgrade.