I don’t see why? I personally found that adding Chinese when they did was really strange but that’s only a point of view I really appreciated they tried
Instead of choosing Gods through the ages, you would choose angels
As myth units I’m pretty sure you could find plenty
The game is not about realism, there wouldn’t be monsters
The main goal of AOM was to go on the fantasy path through mythology until now, if not they would have only done age of empires
I may elves a dwarf replacement but with different bonus (don’t think a mininig bonus would fit elves)
The goal was to put mythology in a game. If it was fantasy they would have put mages, elves, dragons and all sorts of more popular fantasy tropes.
So you took warhammer, a different game than AOM, with a different playerbase and assumed this means that is what the majority of AOM players want? By that logic they should implement Hero units from warcraft with abilities and levels since they are so loved in warcraft 3.
So no gods… not only no minor gods, no majoy gods either. What would their human units be like? All AOE units from a byzantine or christian empire? What god powers even? Christian miracles? Bible verses?
I never said they need to have the same gathering bonus.
A bonus for gathering food would fit them thematically. But I don’t know if even a really good food bonus would compensate the gold bonus of the dwarves being absent.
Me too for this one 
but it would be more AOE 2 fantasy than AOM2, because it will be a medieval one
The game should be really different from others, otherwise this will split the community of AOM too much
Not correct. Because people who don’t want high fantasy in their mythology game would be forced to play against people who have the high fantasy pantheons. Fans watching tournaments would be forced to see the high fantasy civs played alongside the real mythologies. This isn’t a purely singleplayer game where you can easily pick and choose what you want and completely disregard everything outside of that.
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You’re doing bad faith about it…
You said I had no reason of saying fantasy could be a good thing, I gave you one and now you are saying I can’t apply an example to AOM because it is not the same players ??
Of course I cannot provide an example with the same players because there are age of mythology : fantasy?? What would be the point of this conversation if this would already exist?
And concerning monothéists pantheon, YOU COULD as said minor and major gods could be angels or equivalent, their powers just have to be inspired as it was the case already for the powers of the current pantheon and finally the monster have to be picked from the pool available in belief and there are many
I’m not saying I want this pantheon in first place, but it could be a pantheon and you saying it cannot be feasible is bad faith. You don’t like it that’s all, but if we stop every time some one don’t like something then you don’t do anything, with your logic of “no it’s good like this” there would be never new things
You got a point here
However people that are playing pvp with random people are more into the competitive side of the game and of courses those new pantheons would be balanced
And in addition this issue concerned some players, the majority of the players is not concerned by this issue
No, I think they said "Would love to know how you came to [the] conclusion [that you are “speaking here for a majority”]]
Again, please provide evidence. So far, in this thread, nobody has come along to agree with you. You keep claiming to represent “the majority”, but you have no evidence to back this up. It is an arrogant and baseless assertion. If you do have some serious evidence to suggest there is a large group that wants to see this—evidence that you are, in fact, in the majority—by all means, share it. Otherwise, feel free to share your opinion, but stop claiming it is anything other than “a thing you personally want”.
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But why not just more mythological pantheons?
I don’t think that a Christian civ would be impossible within AoM without needing to be “fantasy”. Christianity has enough mythology.
This would only work if it was done like AoE2 Chronicles where the civilisations from Chronicles are not available in normal matchmaking and have to be manually enabled in the lobby.
But the question is is it worth it limiting the game play possibilities of the fantasy setting to fit into the AoM mechanics.
Every AoM civ needs:
- Human units
- Mythological units
- Heroes
- Food, Wood Gold and Favour as resources
- God Powers
I don’t think that fantasy civs would make sense with having Favour as a resource to train “mythological” units.
Also the system of god powers doesn’t translate well into fantasy.
A system where you train magical units and those have magical abilities would make more sense in a fantasy setting.
Look at the success of Fortnite, should we add guns and marvel super hero skins to AoM now?
Just because another game is popular doesn’t mean you should copy it. Sometimes doing the opposite is the better choice because if there are already good games in a certain setting you just have to compete with more competition.
Also mixing 2 things means that you might alienate fans of both of those things.
Someone who wants mythology will be unhappy about the fantasy stuff and someone who wants fantasy will be unhappy about the mythology stuff.
And even people that like both things might still want them separate from each other.
I wouldn’t want to put ice cream on my French fries.
I think making a spin off with it’s own name (not “Age of Empires 2 Fantasy”, that would be strange) the same way Age of Mythology has it’s own name would be the best solution.
Alienating your core player base is never a good idea.
Yes the competitive multiplayer people are a minority but they are the most vocal about the game, do the most live streams, make the most videos and post the most on social media.
If you make those people unhappy they will spread negativity which will scare away potential customers.
Also people often think they are better at the game then they actually are. They will complain about balance issues that have no impact on their skill level because their favourite steamer did. They might even stop playing the game or not recommend it to friends for being unbalanced even if it theoretically doesn’t impact them.
Also you might have notices that pretty much everyone here is against your idea. It’s probably not as popular of a suggestion as you thought it was.
It doesn’t really matter if you keep arguing here and maybe convince 1 or 2 people. The majority will still be against your idea. You will never be able to convince everyone.
Sometimes you have to accept that people have different ideas when it comes to games. AoM is not just made for you.
There is no “right” or “wrong” in this discussion. It’s just differences in taste.
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45k players active, far far less than 1k in the multiplayers lobbies,
That’s why I said that issues concerning multiplayer competition does not concerned the majority
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Having things in the game that you feel are completely out of place is also an issue if you don’t play multiplayer.
“Just don’t buy the DLC” means you have less content to play in your favourite game.
One of my friends for example doesn’t want to play AoMR because he hates that they haven’t removed the Atlanteans since they are “fantasy” in his eyes. And no he never played ranked nor does he ever want to.
Having something added to the game that feels completely out of place is not something most people want.
You need to learn that you can’t argue about taste and preferences.
Most people prefer to have no fantasy elements in the game so the developers will very likely not add them.
You are just one person and they are not just making this game for you alone.
I don’t play multiplayer (because my friends don’t play AoMR) and I don’t want fantasy either.
Also adding fantasy to AoM means it’s less likely for it to get it’s own game. I’d rather see a new game in the franchise that can utilize a modern Engine (like UE5) and give us new and interesting gameplay in a cool fantasy setting.
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Honestly this would be really nice if there would do pool about it
Because the people agreeing with me are liking the post and you can see that there are more in favor than against.
People that stops playing because it’s not in the theme anymore already stopped playing when they added Chinese or Japanese which are way different, I’m pretty sure your friend wouldn’t have like those either
But if you follow that path then this game is at his end because in your logic they shouldn’t add anything in the risk of bothering anyone
i asked you why where you saying you were talking for the majority (which one would assume its refering to the majority of aom players, cause otherwise what majority woudl it be). And the example you gave was from an entire different game.
There could be a popular mod as i said which was popular and you could say so. Or having a poll or anything to show you are not just convincing yourself about this majority of the playerbase (which seeing at least the few comments of this post shows the contrary).
Otherwise that argument is invalid, ofc the playerbase of X game like the common features of that game, thats why they play it, to use that to justify moving that into another game is odd. Try doing the reverse, ofc AOM players like god powers and myth units, can you say you are the majority in a AOE2 forum thaat they should introduce myth units or in warcrat III to introduce god powers?
Its not that it cant, anything always can be (we could make a pantheon of the flying spaghetti monster. Im saying it goes against all the other “patterns” the mythologies follow. Its not if it can be amde, its if it should. Its not really bad faith to disagree with an idea, its not like im insulting you or transforming it into something else to give it a bad light, im sharing my perspective of why it would feel off for AOM to adopt that.
100% correct, i have never told anyone to stop posting, its a discussion forum, to discuss. I can express what i dont like and why is that and you are free to do the same. Yet the only guy agreeing with you (yes im aware the extreme small sample size) its a guy that doesnt like this game, wishes it had most of AOE mechanics and posts every week about how something different is ruinning the game and should be removed ASAP.
You are the one doing bad faith, twisting what i said. Im not against adding new things, im happy for the japanese civ we are getting, and would love and american one like aztecs or mayans as well as many other real mythologies. What im not in favor for (and its an opinion just like yours, neither of us are devs in this game) its mixing it with D&D style.
The most liked post is about you not speaking for the majority thou.
Thats not what he is saying thou. He literally said theres plenty of pantheons to add of real mythologies. You seem to twist the ideas for things they are not. Its not a “the gme is perfect dont add anything stance” its simply “your idea isnt the majority and it doesnt seem to be a good one”
Here you go, I created a poll about it. Feel free to vote with your opinions.
Just speaking for myself…no? That doesn’t make sense. How are they “way different”? They’re more real-world historical mythologies, which is what I want to see. Same reason I also want to see Celts, Mesopotamians, and Aztecs.
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