My AOE2 Civ map (post DotD)

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The map does not display a strict time period nor does it try to. It’s just a representation of what each civ in my opinion roughly represents and what it doesn’t.

My main thoughts:

-I think the Byzantines as well as the Slavs civ do a pretty good job at representing the Balkan region
-Even though Malians have some elements of the Dahomey Kingdom, I think it cannot represent possibly every West African civ
-The Chinese civ is just representing the Han people. Jurchen, Khitans etc. are pretty solid civ candidates.
-Even though the Indians civ has some South Indian elements like architecture and 2 leader names, I think it mainly represents the Northern parts of India

Feel free to share your thoughts.

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So much color… inside europe.

And I thought europeans “colorized” the world…

That’s post AOE2. :wink:

Would like to see them paint other parts of the world too :slight_smile:

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Some nitpicks incoming:

  • I think Mongols should lose some of their western parts to Tatars
  • You gave Byzantines some territories they shouldnt have imo
  • That Ethiopian territory is way too big
  • Southern Vietnam and maybe northern Indonesia could have some space uncovered
  • Bengalis could also be uncovered imo

Beyond that its pretty much perfect

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Modern administrative map is very bad to presenting the medieval civilizations…

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Slightly improved version without civ icons.

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Eh, with provinces you can get a somewhat accurate deciption

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Do you say so with today’s provinces?

Yeah, countries are too big but theres not much territory to lose or gainwith any psrticular civ if we are working with provinces

Both Americas correct

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Africa correct

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Europe correct

Asia correct

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Red Xs represent empty areas (peoples) that are not represented in any way by any of the civs already present in the game - for Europe and Asia. The rest of the world is much larger “patches” on the map.

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Of course, I omitted the huge civ umbrellas such as:

  • Indians (2-4 more civs)
  • Chinese (1-2 more civs)
  • Saracens (1-2 more civs)
  • Teutons (2 more civs)
  • Slavs (1-2 more civs)
  • Vikings (1-2 more civs)
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I liked how you completely cropped out modern day Bangladesh as an empty civ. 11
But I think you should crop out more at the eastern part. How Aoe2 Indians represent modern day Asam?

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Seems strange to place Huns in northern Italy. Sure they traveled there, but I believe their origin is from Central Asia, east of the Cumans and west of the Mongols. Possibly near the Tatars.

Some are understandably difficult to place without a specific time or group. Goths for example were not always in Iberia. I’ve read some theories that they originated in Scandinavia, which would make sense with the Huskarl unit. Would be interesting to see civs placed in their area of origin, or at least their earliest known home.

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I just wanted to show that the Indians we have represent mostly Pakistan and the North Western part of India.

I’ve done the map pretty fast and of course you could go even further into details.

Gotland is their supposed origin somewhere in Sweden as far as I know.

Historians are still debating nowadays what the Huns are. You could understandably place them elsewhere.

At everybody here: Feel free to make your own world maps. I’ve just used this tool:

and the civ icons from the Wiki:

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Even after all these years people still can’t cope with the fact europe was the most interesting place during the middle ages.

And it’s not just because there were a lot of people at war with eachother all the time, but also because we took the time to write about what happened, and can recreate it as a result.

I’d love more native american civs, or, to use a more charged term, “representation”, but I also do understand that

  1. They were more tribes than countries or kingdoms, which isn’t suitable for “Age of Empires
  2. A lot of that history of theirs is gone due to… certain reasons… and as a result historical accuracy is borderline impossible.

If the devs are to add more civs, my personal preference would be America, then Europe. Frankly, with The Last Khans, we didn’t need 4 new cavalry civs, and if we were to add more asian civs they would look a bit too much like already existing ones. In Europe we still have to see probably Swiss and Vlachs, which have potential to be rather unique, much like any new american civ, meso or not, because there’s more room to breathe there, with UUs or shared stuff like eagles and the whole no cavalry concept.

I will refrain from mentioning other parts of the world and the reasons we can do without them in a game about wheelbarrows, blacksmiths, universities and wonders, as it’s not a topic that many like to discuss, or a conversation that should be happening here to begin with.

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I think the last four European civs should be (if there is a 48 civs limit):

  1. Germans (civ based on the German states of the Holy Roman Empire; breaking the Teutons huge umbrella civ; prudent to be added by developers the Habsburgs civ, as Sandy Petersen said - Landsknecht & Swiss Pikeman)
  2. Swedes (to cover the territory of modern Finland and be a late medieval Scandinavian civ - Livgardet & Ugric Warrior)
  3. Serbo-Croatians (finally breaking the Slavic umbrella civ and embracing the South Slavic nations - Hajduk & Kondura, Zupan [weaker but faster cavalry scout])
  4. Romanians (civ that is not in the game but has its own campaign in the game; it would include a group of nations that do not currently have any representation in the game - Hospodar)
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This is what the AoE 2 map of Europe would look like with the addition of the four final European civs I have proposed above.

(for Serbo-Croatians civ I used the coat of arms Sirmium - a Byzantine administrative unit [theme], which existed in present-day Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina in the 11th century. Its capital was Sirmium [today Sremska Mitrovica])

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Nice map, but Japan’s territory shouldn’t include Hokkaido

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■■■■ no. Go look at ANY major Chinese generals and tell me they arent as interesting as any European king. India and China both have practically as much recorded history as Europe. Africa has plenty of cool civis, better than anything left in Europe

If anything I find late medieval Europe to be the most boring pre-colonialism European period and thats the main focus of most medieval games. The dark ages + crusades are way more interesting

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And you keep insisting with Teutons =/= HRE thing despite having little reasons to do so… Honestly seems like you are just making excuses for more late medieval Euro civs

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