Now The way I would design the Celts would be guerella warfare and combos (human units anyway) the way combos work is they would have little to no bonus damage.How ever each human units would have unique abilities(deflective sheild, attacking like a ghulam in AoE2)
Stealth Camp (archery and barracks combo that all units in can stealth)
-Longbow A glass cannon archer with long range awesome dps but no melee armor
-Arbalest removes armor with each shot but deals no damage
-Pikemen celtic spearmen with 1.10x vs. Cavalry and has 0 armor when moving but when set up has 50% pierce armor and a deflective sheild that ignores the first attack
-Woad Raider unit that does massive AoE attack every 5 seconds
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possible combos
Longbow and Pikemen- common OK
Pikemen and woad raider - vs. heavy cav
Arbelest and Knight- good vs. high armor units
Arbelest and Longbow-makes longbow do stupid amounts of damage glass cannon
Other than this your hero would be king Arthur and at the second age you get knights(a heavy cavalry you get at the 2nd age that attacks units behind the target) all knights around king arthur is a hero and is upgraded with bonuses by arthur depending on the god you worship
My guess is myth units have different roles depending on the god one as meat sheilds, siege( because otherwise weak ),or quanity over quality
and finally you build shrines and put your druids/monks(which are limited) in the shrine to gather favor
please Im a noob at this give me feed back and balance and mythological changes
Nice ideas for mechanics. But i don’t like the king arthur and knights theme for AoM. It’s kind of too far from the antique setting for my taste (vikings back or fourth). Ancient celts from the antique would fit better as theme in my opinion.
Agreed. Ancient Gaelic Celts (human soldiers from across the Celtic world such as Gallic Cav), but the religion and mythology from the Brythonic isles as it’s the most extensively studied and we actually know much about it compared to any other Celtic faith. Of which we really only know the gods names.
The trouble with “mixing” the different Celtic religions is that we don’t actually know how related they were, how much they crossed over. At this stage it’s speculation. So guesswork on “making” a Celtic faith by the devs would be anachronistic, even for AOM.
They should pick 1 of the Celtic religions (Brythonic makes the most sense here), and use that for the pantheon and mythology whilst representing the entire Celtic peoples through their human units
I personally would much prefer gaulish mythology with gods like Teutates,Taranis, Cernunnos, Epona, Artaios etc. But that’s just a subjective matter of taste.
I hear ya mate, but there is simply not enough knowledge on it to flesh it out aside from the names.
Brythonic is far more extensively studied and well known, including the vast array of myth units that could be implemented from Brythonic/Gaelic folklore. We don’t know enough from Gallic to create a full roster, so a Gallic based roster would likely need to draw from Gaelic anyway to supplement it - which would just be anachronistic and not authentic to a true Celtic pantheon.
There are of course crossovers and similarities between the two so some Gallic deities would certainly be represented in the pantheon (Morrigan for example), but I personally feel that the devs need to keep the pantheon wholly from ONE Celtic identity, rather than mixing and matching and creating a false hybrid. The Celts were widely diverse and to classify them as one is a loose term. And the Brythonic/Gaelic is the most widely known and studied, vastly more so compared to, say Gallic, of which very little outside of names of their gods are known
As well a lot of the gods you mention like Teutates, Cernunnos, Taranis etc were also Brythonic/Gaelic gods so you’d see them in there
Names from Celtic mythology many people would know, even if not the context and if and how they’re connected, would be Teutates, Chernunnos, Morrigan, Nuada, Dagda, Cerridwen, Taranis (maybe), Belenus (if they read Asterix. Never seen that name anywhere else so far), Balor, Fey, Banshee, Tir Na Nog (No clue how to spell that), and Leprachaun (Probably misspelled that too). Oh, and Druids. Almost forgot the most obvious one.
I don’t know if all of them exist in one Celtic faith, Brythonic or otherwise, but I do feel like if too many of those aren’t there, they’ll be seen as missing. Even if they actually historically don’t belong togeher.
I’m not saying all those iconic names must be put together at all costs. Since there is going to be lore index pages that explain things about said god and the mythology behind it, and their relationships with other gods, it’s better to use stuff where those things are actually known. But those names, even if not their context, have a presence in pop culture, with connections to Celts preestablished.
I hope I’m making sense.
Aye, makes sense and it’s a fair point.
I’m just looking at it from the perspective of “authenticity” (in the loosest sense). If they did conglomerate the entire Celtic population as one I wouldn’t necessarily complain as I just personally want to see that mythology added, I just believe focusing on one as the main pantheon would be better.
However, I think we can all agree that they would need Druids/heroes called Asterix and Obelix…
Not exactly a primary source this though is it
Earliest archaeological/historic references to crossbows in the British isles date from around the 6th century AD, used for hunting and not warfare (though obviously this doesn’t discount the odd person using it as a weapon here and there. It just wasn’t designed and used as a standard weapon)
Aye, I wasn’t making a declarative statement regarding their input into a Celtic civ, was more of just pointing out the history of them in the British isles tis all.
I would just like a Celtic civ. A Gaelic/Brythonic pantheon and mythology, with human soldiers/architectural influences etc from across the Celtic world would, for me, be the ideal next Civ after China.
Followed very closely by a Mesopotamian Civ. But if I had to pick only one it’d be Celtic, but narrowly. I’m thoroughly enjoying the current Mesopotamian thread, some great ideas so far.
