bruhh años, años donde somos tratados como parias… perdi todo el respeto por ese tipo es un beasty pero de aoe 2, si tanto odian aoe 3, por que no simplemente le cambian el nombre a Age of DIscovery y venden el titulo como un juego distinto a la saga? y le ponen aoe 3 al IV y ya, la verdad es que cada vez siento más odio y repudio, lo que duele es que todo el dinero que me gaste en la saga… incluso le compre a 5 personas distintas el aoe 3 y a 2 de ellas con todos los DLC…. sinceramente la saga ya se estanco y sera aoe 2 hasta el final de los tiempos
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I agree. I was saying if you wanted to make 1 civ to attract more players over (which seemed to be their desire), it probably would have been better to accept an AoE3 civ must be an AoE3 civ, but that doesn’t disallow something with the aesthetics of an AoE2 civ and a mildly defensive play style.
Un grande el Psionic, apuesto a que si pudiera barreria el piso con todos ellos en unas partidas
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They aren’t merely trying to appeal to the AoE2 crowd, the are the AoE2 crowd so they really don’t know any better.
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I’m not gonna pretend AoE2 isn’t getting a better treatment, but I would say they don’t understand AoE2 players any better than they do AoE3 ones. They keep doing stuff players have already complained about.
I’m happy with the DLC civ-wise, but not so much about it being entirely about the contact period campaign-wise. Some of the new gimmicks are really weird as well.
I like both AoE2 and AoE3, but as separate games. I don’t like WE’s apparent obsession with making AoE2 more similar to AOE3.
Pareils dans le sens ou je n’ai jamais été tenté d’acheter aoe2, ce n’est donc pas pour me retrover avec un aoe3 massacré por ressembler à un autre jeu, à l’origine c’était une demo que j’avais essayé chez mon père il y a plus de 20 ans, étant conquis j’ai acheté le jeu sachant que j’avais essayé le 2 également et j’ai jamais trouvé mon intérêt pour le 2e opus même si je n’ai jamais critiqué ses points forts, je ne suis juste pas son publique visé tout simplement
That’s not even close to true. Whenever someone from WE mentions their own personal experience playing age of empires, it is always AoE2 exclusively. To the point where I genuinely think none of them have ever played AoE3 at all. I’m not saying they’re doing a good job of understanding AoE2 players, but at least they have a passing understanding of the game.
I don’t really understand this sentiment. All the games can grow by borrowing good elements from the other titles in the series. You don’t like more immersive flora and fauna, or regional skins for AoE2? Even many of the negative borrowings (Organ guns for AoE2 Ports) predate WEs involvement.
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Another problem was that they never saw AoM as the AoE 2 sequel. I mean, c’mon, Greeks were literally designed to work like an AoE 2 civ with the Myth content added and in Fall of the Trident you also spend the first 10 missions as the Greek.
I’m always saying that name as well as setting only function as a coat of paint for the game mechanics and in that regard, AoM and Bang were developed in parallel to feature any mechanic ES wasn’t able to put into AoE 2.
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Rather than obsession it’s more them running out of ideas, hence why they are borrowing more mechanics from AOE3. But that’s what you get if you keep on milking the same game.
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This I like
This I don’t. AoE3 and AoE2 Ports should lose organ guns.
What I don’t like are some of the new gimmicks (though the Bolas one at least makes sense, even if it’s the most hated) and the hero focus of the 3K civs (though that might not necessarily be based on AoE3).
Also I’m pretty sure AoE2 Indians not getting the Knight line has no historical basis and is just based on AoE3 Indians not getting horse-mounted units (which I always thought was a dumb choice).
To me it just seems like everything AoE2 fans don’t like gets labeled as “being like AoE3” when most things have nothing to do with it and the stuff that is the same is largely positive (except Organ Guns but that’s from forever ago).
I’d say what is explicitly lifted from AoE3 is Organ Guns, Jaguar promotions, Flemish Revolution, and maybe the Khymer no drop off farms. Everything else is coincidental at most.
AoE2 has 50+ civs they need to come with new bonuses otherwise it’ll just be repeat civs with different names. Some of it is gimmicky, but some of the reaction is just hostility to change. Like it would be stupid for a Bolas Rider not to snare. If AoE2 fans want to complain about that then maybe they should put AoE3 era civs like Mapuche in AoE3 instead.
Indians not having Knights has nothing to do AoE3. Stuff like Paladins doesn’t make sense outside of Europe and giving alternatives is a good thing. They did the same thing with China too.
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To be fair, AoM was the first in the series with promotions (Hydra).
In this case it was right after they gave the same mechanic to the AoE3 Jaguar so I think it’s a pretty overt reference to AoE3.
But Hydras already had it in the original game where they grew additional heads for every 3 kill that would likewise increase their attack.
AoE 3 only added promotions with KotM.
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I wish Organ Guns would be replaced in both AoE3 and AoE2. They really don’t belong with the Portuguese.
It doesn’t have to be an original AoE3 innovation for that to be the reason it was added to AoE2. The mechanic was retroactively added to JPK and then shortly after the AoE2 Jags got the same thing. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
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Basically, he said he hates AoE 3, even though he never played it well, and I don’t know if he was just being sarcastic. He also said that AoE 2 is the best in the franchise and AoE 3 is the worst… you know, the typical stuff an AoE 2 caster and pro would say to stay in good standing with their community. The same thing happens in the Hispanic/Latin American AoE community. For example, Locoser (an Argentinian AoE 2 caster) made a video saying, “Let’s see Mayorcete burying AoE 3,” mocking Mayorcete (a rather controversial Spanish AoE 3 player and YouTuber) who made a video giving his opinion on the cancellation of the Baltic DLC, saying the game focused too much on being “politically correct” instead of focusing on fixing the launch patches…
Yes, it’s pointless arguing with those people… they wanted and had in mind for years that AoE 3 was going to be AoE 2 (with graphics from 2 and everything) in the colonial age and since it wasn’t like that, they cursed it and acted as if it never existed (although the devs didn’t help either, they added so many innovations at once and the worst part, making the campaigns about the Fountain of Youth, they tried to fix it in the expansions, but they had already messed up and had already lost the first impression, which is the most important thing for a new game)…
Yes, tell me about toxic people…it’s like that toxic girlfriend/boyfriend who, if you see someone else in a friendly way, immediately starts controlling everything…
Yes, and that’s what annoys me the most, because TheViper himself said he liked playing AoE 3 with his brother back in 2005 and that even without knowing how to play it well, he enjoyed learning with the 3DE campaigns back in 2020 when it came out… but no, his community criticizes him if he plays any Age of Empires other than 2. The same thing happened when AoE 4 came out in 2021 and the same with Retold in 2024… with SotL I was surprised that this didn’t happen, and that he managed to build a pretty healthy AoE community and can upload whatever he wants from the series (although he already clarified that he doesn’t play AoE 3 because he struggles with unit counters)… in the Latin/Spanish community it’s a cold war between NachoAoE and MarioOvalle (AoE 2 players and casters) with Mayorcete (and his AoE 3 and 4 community). And it caused a stir among the AoE 2, 3, and 4 communities; at one point, tweets rained down between Nacho and Mayor (accusing each other of “Nachoshit” and “Mayorpete” -Mayorcunt- for English speakers), until finally they secretly decided to settle their differences with a Discord call…
Yes, what’s the point of stoking the fire of division and thinking oneself “superior” (as blowhards would say about themselves) for playing a 1999 game with symmetrical civs of 1 or 2 UU?.. “Oh, excuse me, Your Excellency, I didn’t know you were a peasant for playing another AoE game”… It’s obvious that if you take them out of AoE 2 and put them to play another AoE game, the lie of the supposed “AoE pros” falls apart…
Exactly, it reminds me of the sectarians of the Crusades or Warhammer 40,000, or even the German lords of the Counter-Reformation and the Inquisition, who wanted to hang Copernicus and Galileo for arguing against geocentrism in favor of heliocentrism (interestingly, except for the Crusades, all of these occurred during the Renaissance, which is where Age of Empires II ends and Age of Empires III begins)…it’s a curious coincidence, a nod to how the Age of Empires saga is today…AoE 4 and AoE 5 should serve as a “Renaissance and Ilustration” of the saga to leave behind those nostalgia-driven Age of Empires II fans and allow the saga to evolve healthily and break free from the cycle of complacency that those “fans” want to confine it to…I criticized Age of Empires IV when it was released for being too complacent and playing it too safe, but the latest DLCs have convinced me that it’s on the right track and allowing itself to experiment with the variants civs… I’m hyped that the Vikings and then the Aztecs from AoE 4 will resemble their Retold versions more than those from AoE 2…
Yes, since the AoE 2 community is the majority, WE applies the “ad populum fallacy” (if AoE 2 players are the majority of the saga and they don’t like AoE 3, then we don’t have to like AoE 3 either, and therefore, no DLC for that game)…notice that in the studio they have 3 banners for AoE 1, 2 and 4, but none for Retold or AoE 3…that’s how the devs see us, we no longer exist for them…
Yes, they focused too much on making AoE 3 resemble AoE 2, forgetting that they are two games that play differently, and that’s fine, even if the AoE 2 fans don’t like it… In AoE 2, they tried to do the opposite, incorporating mechanics from AoE 3, starting with at least the Portuguese civilization in TAK (which is a carbon copy of the 3 version, you know, the organ gun and the Feitoria acting as a factory that costs 20 population). Since then, it’s been nothing but controversy after controversy in 2DE: Burgundians in LotW with the Flemish Revolution, Romans in RoR with the Centurions that boost nearby units, and even the 3K civilizations from the DLC released a year ago, which includes heroes like UUs as if it were an AoE 4 civilization…
Non, ne t’inquiète pas, AoMR et AoE 4 continueront de recevoir des DLC au moins jusqu’en 2028/2030. Après, qui sait ? Ils se concentreront probablement sur AoM 2 et AoE 5, ce qui est logique vu que la saga est en cours… Quant à AoE 2, je n’en ai aucune idée. Ils pourraient arrêter les DLC en 2029 faute de civilisations à ajouter, ou bien continuer pendant des années jusqu’à la fermeture de World Edge par Microsoft… N’oublie pas que la saga originale a duré 10 ans (de 1997 à 2007, entre AoE 1 et The Asian Dynasties), et que 13 ans se sont écoulés depuis la sortie d’AoE 2 HD (2013-2026) (en comptant depuis 1DE, cela fait 10 ans jusqu’en 2028)…
Yes, by focusing on just one game, they end up running out of ideas and copying from other games to modernize the game and attract new players, ultimately alienating classic players…
Yes, exactly, AoM was like the testing ground and the missing link between AoE 2 and AoE 3…since many players missed it, when they got to AoE 3 they thought it was going to be like AoE 2 but in the colonial era, and since it wasn’t, they simply hated it and went back to AoE 2…it happened to me the opposite, I played the demo of AoE 3 back in February 2005 since it was a gift from my dad’s cousin, then I bought the game in December 2005 and then in an internet cafe in February 2006 I played AoE 2 and said “wow they are so different” and days later I played AoM in another internet cafe with my cousin and I said “ah, that explains it, AoM was the missing link…the AoE 2.5 that I was missing”…
Yes, as a last resort they could rework the Portuguese from AoE 2 and 3 and make the organ gun a standard artillery unit like in AoE 4… and add new UUs replacing the organ gun (no idea which ones they could be)…
Yes, that’s why I say this South American DLC was better for AoE 3 because of the colonial context… not to mention the campaigns that could finally use the Portuguese from AoE 3 in some campaign, even if they were allies… I was thinking of remaking this DLC but for the Age of the World mod to use the Tupi and Mapuche…
Yes, that’s true…in India and Southeast Asia, the use of elephants was more common than European-style cavalry, simply because of the jungle terrain (the use of camels is more prevalent in the desert northwest of the Middle East, from Baghdad to Delhi)…
Yes, there are mechanics from AoM that were included in 3 and then retroactively in 2… the same goes for the naval rework from 4 that will now be done in 2…
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Yo siempre pense lo siguiente:
Darle a los Portugueses una Unidad de infanteria unica LLamada aventureiro (que vendria siendo un Espadachin con daño contra infanteria pesada y una buena velocidad de ataque)
y el cañon organo pasaria a ser una unidad Mercenaria (por que los Cañones organos fueron utilizados por Ingleses, Franceses, Italianos, malteses e incluso Españoles) y que… bueno, si hubiesen agregado a Dinamarca el Spigol hubiese sido la unidad estandar y el cañon organo su version mercenaria.
Lo otro habia pensado el hecho de que portugal tuviese las feitorias como edificio unico reemplazando a la fabrica, más numerosas pero que gotean recursos en menor cantidad (al gotear de los 3 al mismo tiempo) y que tampoco producirian artilleria pesada, pero no se como podria arreglar eso.
I’ve seen “Viper being bullied by his own chat” pop up quite a bit but was it something that happened once during stream or are there threads/posts because it happened multiple times?
I started playing DE after African Royals dropped so it’s weird something like this isnt mentioned more.
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Fue en el 2020, Viper jugo varias partidas con Daut e incluso queria jugar la campaña, pero en un momento dado no subio más videos de AOE3 de hecho fue más en Twitch donde le dijeron que no jugara ese juego y bueno termino por no hacerlo más