Native warrior cards of French civilization should be nerfed
French civilization’s native warrior cards make natives broken. To maintain balance for the game, either all of French civilization’s native warrior cards must be nerfed or at least one of them must be removed.
Is this a treaty or Supremacy comment?
en ce cas il faudrait nerf aussi les civs asiat qui peuvent aussi jouer sur ce plan, sachant que la France à déjà subit des nerfs de ses cartes indigènes.
Et en suprématie le niveau du bois fait que vous avez un choix à faire.
Maybe Native Warriors needs to be split into specific regions (but still broad!) as separate cards.
Native Warriors Americas
Native Warriors European
Etc.
That’d kinda be a mess. Too many decks.
My reason for asking was if he’s pointing to a Supremacy problem than the simple solution is moving something to age 4. I’ve seen people complaining about French native builds on certain maps. I could also fathom a treaty complaint about natives, in which case if it were an issue it’d be harder to fix. French are no doubt good in treaty, and I could imagine a slight nerf to their natives being reasonable, having said that, other civs are WAY worse offenders in treaty and I don’t really see many treaty complaints about French so I’m inclined to write them off as fine there.
I think that would be too many cards. They could maybe make the effect of some cards map dependant. So for example, on an American map Wilderness Warfare gives the full benefit to Huron allies but only a ~10% boost to Royal Musketeers. Something similar could be done for other civs with lots of natives.
The issue came from doing European natives stronger. A great mistake
In the past a lot of people didn’t use natives so on DE they wanted to try to address that.
Pick your poison: Strong natives = used or not strong = not used much.
France using natives are good but there are other civs that do well with them too. 2 of the France native cards have been nerfed in strength but made available 1 age sooner to send. They shouldn’t be nerfed anymore otherwise they wont be used ever.
@señorbarnzy1 @M00Z1LLA When “European natives” were added, the cards that should buff “native warriors” I think should be called local or regional allies. There are many letters from natives with New World themes that would only make sense for America. I think they should do a visual and thematic rework on these cards.
Regarding the France cards related to natives, simply move them to age 3. They could be stronger than average natives, but the opponent will already have the opportunity to improve their own troops as well with default cards and upgrades. (I would move one or two cards).
Yeah I agree with the renaming. My (extreme) suggestion was really on the back of the fact that the original French trait of ‘being good pals with natives’ just applied to in the Americas, which just seems odd to cover all natives.
They need nerfs. You are french so you are biased you want your own civ to be op. French nats for the past 15 years didn’t have that many nats on map, didn’t have royal embasand royal musk, so the nats french can train is limited. Now french has archer, musk, cavs all classified as nats, they can just have a full army of nats
En quoi être français invalide mon argumentation ? Je pourrais tout aussi dire que vous avez un parti pris contre les français et que votre avis est biaisé et on avancera pas plus. Comme je l’ai dis si vous voulez nerf les cartes indigènes des français ok, mais appliquez le aussi aux autres civs en ce cas, comme par exemple la chine et pas que…
De plus je ne joue français que en civs aléatoire, je peux tout aussi bien tomber sur les Mexicains ou les britanniques
just move the native combat card to age3, like all the other combat cards, they should only belong to the age3 row, and perhaps move the Auxiliary natives card to age2 since it’s a team combat card.
Another option is to remove the card that reduces native cost for France and make it a revolt only option for the Haiti and Canada revolt.
This would maintain their power but make it less efficient
In my opinion, if there is the problem, the problem started since the introduction of Ancien Régime. Just remake this card.
For example, allows the research of the Bourbon technologies in Royal Embassies, but no longer enable Royal Musketeers training. Instead, this card gets moved to Age II, comes with 4 or 5 RMs, and each future shipment comes with 1 or 2 additional RMs and allows RM upgrade automatically or in Royal Embassies.
Use it like an generic Age II Musketeer shipment card, but with other effects. RMs can still be accessed but their in-practice number is limited this way, while we can let the native units no more using population.
If we want to nerf ancien regime the best way is to just not have it send a native embassy wagon, we dont need to make it complicated.
That doesnt change anything as French player just need to gather the wood to be in the same spot.
Which is often all that you need to slow it down.
The wagon was good cause you can send it forward before the opponent can respond, it acts as a barracks, it can also trigger the TP spots for other natives which allows you to go multiple natives very easily, which you can then also train in the embassy.
If they have to collect the wood (either in transition or through the age up) then they need to spend that time and res instead of just making units. They would also have to actually send vils forward if they want to be aggressive which cost vil time and makes it vulnerable.
If we want to nerf it further you can make it an age 2 card as well
The point is not to slow down if when france reach it, it gets a huge unstoppable snowball in lategame.
Ancien regime? Snowballing how excactly? The problem is certainly not the natives with a population cost, the problem is natives without a population cost profiting far more from the natives card ontop of having been boosted.
The issue being of course the card that makes natives cheaper than regulars.