Nerf to sweden hakkapelita when?

Age of Empires III: DE III - Discussion
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omg im tired of this, or at least let choose bana civ on lobbys

i cannot kill that unit

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Isn’t light infantry a clear counter? Hakkas are now classified as light cav and skirms should do well vs them.

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indeed,We need Ban/Pick

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You can kill them with a mixture of HI in melee/halbs and skirms for now, hakka hand attack dmg can still destroy your skirms so you have micro very carefully

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on team games? they have bonus versus all units exccept skirmishers
on team games is useless try to micro versus that unit

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Don’t lose sight that swedes econ is op as well. You kill most of their vils and knock down torps but they still outproduce you.

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Exactly. It’s actually the bigger issue at hand. A slightly worse eco means less hackapellits that can be produced. Hackapellits only need a slight nerf when Sweden’s crazy eco gets nerfed (simply do -1 starting vil, +100f, as well as nerf hackapellits).

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With the Swedish eco, they’ll have as many hackapellits as you have skirms. A skirm doesn’t beat an beefed up up goon with three times the hand attack in 1v1 even if they do counter it from range.

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Sweden would still need a buff after 2 nerfs tho. I suggest Caroleans get +1 dmg to early game and maybe dominion card could also grant -35 wood for each torp.

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ABSOLUTELY not.

The nerfs are warranted just to bring them back to reality and doesn’t need to be offset by buffs.

Their boom actually takes place entirely in age 2 with the torps, it’s just that most are rushing to age 3 because of Hackapellits and Age III cards, but if they opted to stay in Age II they can very easily mass carrols + leathers + huss as needed instead. There is no incentive to not torp up, it’s just too good.

It’s what Britain was before the -100f nerf: heavy boom followed by a crazy army with no risk or delay in timing. They can still pull it off but with a slight but much-needed delay due to the food nerf.

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Then why was Sweden buffed to begin with? Swedes was underperforming before last patch. No one was complaining or even talking about Swedes before they buffed it.

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Nobody is saying to bring Swedes right back to where they were pre-patch. Literally no one.

But they overbuffed a particular as well as their their general eco, that much is clear. So a middle ground needs to be met. Removing the 1 settler at start and adding 100f back is a good start.

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No, imo a good start is balancing the hakka first and then having a conversation on whether a +1 villager start would make Swedes broken or not in 1v1, not just double nerf them without giving them a slight buff.

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Their true issue is their eco, with a smaller eco will come less Hakka on the field. Because people will just switch to age 2 play and realize how OP they are if they stay in age 2. All of their eco potential can be reached in age 2 (like brits).

Just like how Ottos can be powerful in Age 2 if one opts out of FF.

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Hakkas have been nerfed in the PuP:

  • Hakkapelit:
    • Hitpoints reduced to 210 (from 240).
    • Melee damage reduced to 22 (down from 30).
    • Melee damage multiplier now applies to Heavy Cavalry instead of all Cavalry.
    • Added melee damage multiplier of 0.6x against Infantry and Villagers.
  • March of the Hakkapelits: Hakkapelit speed increase reduced to 0.15 (down from 0.25).