They do not.
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I think they need minor nerfs at best. but again - that doesn’t mean 99% of the community agrees.
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Ok 90% LOL 
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You still cannot prove any percentage of people want these civs nerfed.
wholesome i think your biggest problem is you want to use a sledge hammer where a sledge hammer isn’t needed.
also @MatCauthon3 i think if they nerf the Powerspike of eagles with the elite eagle warrior Upgrade how unlikely would it be that buffs on galand or hulche wouldt help them?
edit: some people said to adjust el dorado but would hurt alot tho
i think eagles shouldn’t be touched. i think they are fine. at best i would increase the cost of el dorado to something like 900 food and 700 gold.
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some price increases sounds good
whats your opinion on hulche and a Potential buff?
i’m unsure. hulche in some situations is good and in some situations its bad. i wouldn’t touch the tech.
i mean if hul’chè javelineer isnt touched and el dorado would get a price increase whats left the reductive cost of archers?
my change to Mayans? reduce the resource lasting longer. or reduce the archer discount to 10-15-20%
dude. just yesterday you were saying they don’t need a nerf at all. now you’re saying you want to hit both the tech tree and the eco?
read what i said earlier.
small changes can have big impacts.
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i think the archer discount can be a bit higher sounds reasonable
but you also said.
this on top of a change to both mayans and aztecs.
and you also said, you wanted to nerf both the chinese eco and their military.
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Why do Aztecs need a nerf?
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We should be buffing civs that may need it, not nerfing civs at this point. The last ridiculous thing to deserve a giant nerf was Obsidian arrows.
If we keep nerfing civs, we’ll end up with small and boring bonuses like “Resources last +2.7% longer” or something.
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ask @WholeSome1234 but i think its their playrate and wr from kotd from 1 year ago
Obsidian arrows was a toxic tech, and shouldn’t be in the game at all.
Their monks at least need a nerf, 5hp per tech need a nerf. And their relics bonus too.
are you kidding me? nerfing the lithuanian relic bonus down to +2 would make the bonus not very good at all.
furthermore nerfing their starting food bonus down to 100 leaves the civ with almost no economy bonus, on a civ that has a very bad boom to begin with.
and the compensation for that nerf? they get siege ram.
honestly i think nerfing the relic bonus to +3 in castle age and +4 overall is fine.
you give lithuanian siege a b tier?
i give them c at best.
20 food for 5 gold isn’t a good trade at all.
i want you to learn that restraint is the better part of valor. you don’t need to overnerf or overbuff something. look what happened to the Steppe Lancer.
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