Nest of bees are useless

Age of Empires IV IV - Discussion
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This patch note absolutely cannot be true or is bugged:

  • Mangonels and Nest of Bees are now more resistant to ranged damage and Mangonels will retain some projectile tracking.

Just witnessed camel archers absolutely wreck my pack of bees within seconds. It was laughable. Absolutely zero point making nests now, 100% not worth the cost whatsoever, they get destroyed in half a second.

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Video or picture plz. How many camels vs how many bees?

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Well, let’s do the math:

BEFORE THE PATCH, SEASON 8

Mangonel armor vs Range: 30, +Siege Enginners: 40

  • Max Attack of Basic Archer (Post Imperial): (8+3)x1.2= 13.2
  • Max Attack of Basic Crossbowman (PostImperial): (15+3)x1.2 = 21.6
  • Max Attack of Basic Handcannoner (PostImperial): (35)x1.2 = 42
  • Archer (PI) Damage per hit → 13.2 - 40 = Zero (Rounded to 1)
  • Crossbowman (PI) Damage per hit → 21.6 - 40 = Zero (Rounded to 1)
  • Handcannoner (PI) Damage per hit → 42 - 40 = 2 (Only 2)

So: Only Handcannoners do 5 damage to mangonels and 12 damage to In PI, by shooting if there are no Siege Engineers. However, due to the low range of handcannoners (4) they hardly reach the target, and worse: With Siege Engineers, Siege Weapons had +10 range armor, making them almost immune to the three.

AFTER THE PATCH, SEASON 9

  • Max Attack of Basic Archer (Post Imperial): (8+3)x1.2= 13.2
  • Max Attack of Basic Crossbowman (PostImperial): (15+3)x1.2 = 21.6
  • Max Attack of Basic Handcannoner (PostImperial): (35)x1.2 = 42
  • Archer (PI) Damage per hit → 13.2 x 0.2 = 2.64
  • Crossbowman (PI) Damage per hit → 21.6 x 0.2 = 4.32
  • Handcannoner (PI) Damage per hit → 35 x 0.2 = 7.00

Indeed, Mangonels and Nest of Bees now take more range damage per range basic units.

The thing is, there’s a problem with the text description in the patch: It says they’re “more resistant”, but in theory it’s because they now have “Resistance armor” which is “Percentage” armor (%), but if we talk about resistance as "General resistance" as saying “if they are tougher”, we’d say they are softer.

I guess now we’ll have to micromanage better the Onagers and NoB if we want them to still be usefull.

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Seige needed nerfs stop complaining use other things. Devs need to keep it all nerf

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Never mind dude, civs will finally get something else if they do nerf them excessively.

I believe the NOB should have some nerf, for I am tired to train spearmen and NOBs in Castle again and again. Let’s try find some new strategy.

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Maybe 10 camels but he needed only a few to target the bees. Roasted it in seconds.

Plus with the reduced range of the bees, other range can get closer before the bees get to fire as well. This is a huge change. Makes them totally useless. Everyone will just counter them with archers/xbowmen. Makes zero sense.

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And they clearly did this because of the springald change. They wanted ranged to now counter siege. But they went waaayyy too far.

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