Whats your thoughts on nest of bees? I’m thinking their pretty over powered and could use some slowing down on the recharge rate.
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it’s fine, no changes needed 
Nest of bee can cause a lotta damages but only when its arrows did hit the target, it will be powerful when fire on a large group of troop. However when targeting a small group of enemy, nest of bee’s damage will be very poor.
In my opinion, it is just fine. I am not meaning this topic is senseless, but we do need a plan which is more considerate if you suggest to nerf nest of bee in the late of the game.
NoB is basically worse version of mangonel. What do you want to nerf ?
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Nest of Bees perform much better than mangonel.
Each arrow fired (8 arrows) got aoe damage. in simple words, it covers more area than mangonel and makes it much better against lighter units.
Mangonels are on the other hand have higher damage (+2) and only 3 rocks are thrown. It performs better against higher armoured units.
Overall, Nest of Bees is better for larger-scale battles against stacked units as it would deal more damage.
Some people say it is bugged and all arrows won’t fire as soon as the targeted target dies. But really such thing happens in low elo players. Usually, high elo players would target higher hp targets to get the best out of it. And really, no one trains it from siege workshop as the Chinese have “Clocktower” that gives 50%HP and supervise it with an imperial supervisor. That allows them to train faster and tankier sieges that would dwarf enemy mangonels.
Simple math
Nest of bees (full damage per fired volley of arrows)
8 * 10=80
Mangonel (full damage per shot)
3 * 12= 36
Cost
Nest of Bees
300 Gold and 300 Wood
Mangonels
400 Wood and 200 gold
Similar
Both got 8 pierce armour
Some bonuses
Mangonels deal +24 bonus damage to buildings
Nest of bees (none)
Advantages
Nest of Bees
5.5 attack speed
0.93 movement speed
Can be trained from “Clocktower” 300HP Nest of Bees (instead of 200HP) - simultaneously can be supervised to be trained faster.
Mangonel
9 range
Disadvantages
Mangonel
6.75 attack speed
0.88 movement speed
Nest of Bees
Cannot fire on water
8 range
Don’t mind these players as they are too Biased! (Chinese main civ players)
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It is bugged, when it works, it is stupidly overpowered.
When it doesn’t work, a lot of arrows just misfired or stop firing for no reason it is trash.
Clocktower buff & Supervise basically making all Chinese siege units broken, have you ever seen a Chinese player building a normal siege workshop? It is never needed.
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