Why would I even post if I’m agreeing with you? What would I even say?
“Yes, sir. You are correct.”
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The real goal is to stop the OP who is a huge troll and clearly needs to face harsh treatment for bad thinking
I honestly dgaf if Khazars are Jewish or not, its a civ with heavy cavalry priests and siege! Cool civ focus
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Don’t let that distract you from the fact that the turkic peoples are still not fully represented in-game. We’d need at least two more.
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Israeli falles into the same issue as egyptians in aoe2 either they are byzantines initially or saracens later.
If someone really wants to see jerusalem as a civi it should be based around crusader states.
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I don’t know how they initially didn’t make it to AoE 1. Very significant nation of ancient times. I would gladly play a campaign for them (in old style or RoR style).
However in AoE 2 they can not be. Literally no country.
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A King David campaign would be very cool. He’d fight the Philistines, then have to run from Saul and fight for the Philistines briefly (kind of like El Cid), and then once he’s king, he’d engage in more battle against the Philistines and ultimately have to go up against his treacherous son Absalom. That would all be very dramatic and cool.
There’s a reason the Samuels are my favorite books of the Bible…
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Thats a neat idea, however Jerusalem would again be eigher teutonic or Saracens / other Muslim nation. Jews were not really involved
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Main issues is there were jewish kings during the middle ages to fill the AI leader names.Even the slinger uu you suggested is taken by the incas.
Very less material to make a civi around unless you couple them with something else.
Then you should be against having Spanish too, because you previously had Goths (Visigoths). I mean, you already have those two civs that existed in the same location and didn’t coexist, so your denial doesn’t make sense.
Romans in aoe2 represent the Western Roman Empire of the 5th century, as simple as that. And several other civs of the game coexisted with them, like Huns, Goths, Byzantines, Persians (Sassanids)… so their time frame is relevant too.
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I dont get what you mean with this sentence
Not true.
The primary chronicles written by the monk Nestor mentions jewish Khazars when talking about king Vladimir’s search for a new rus faith in 986 AD.
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In the game files there are usually 10 or 12 leader names from that civi.If you have them as a ai one of those names will come randomly.
Eg for huns we have attila bleda and other hun leader names.You can see the full list of AI names below.
Ha, in this case I agree, such a civ woulnd’t fit the timeframe and in any case no civ should be named after a religion. There were several widely different Jewish states in the Middle Ages anyway and they couldn’t all be covered by the same civ.
My denial makes perfect sense - I DO have an issue with all of that. Not sure why u went ahead an assumed an opinion of mine just because I didnt list every case of anachronism in the game.
Romans in aoe2 represent the Western Roman Empire of the 5th century, as simple as that.
The Franks, spainish, ports and italians are the civs after the west failed. Simple as.
And several other civs of the game coexisted with them, like Huns, Goths, Byzantines, Persians (Sassanids)… so their time frame is relevant too.
Byzantines well outlasted the WRE. Persians pre AND postdate the WRE. Huns and Goths are more examples of early aoe weirdness that should be addressed - and should not be used as a point to justify bad design.
The jews are literally the only religion afaik that is an actual race.
We aren’t, there are many ethno-religions like Yazidis, Druze, Alawites, Chaldeans, etc.
The Khazars are the most obvious answer here.
Maybe? But even that is massively disputed since there is little proof that the Khagans converted
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Latins for Crusader States + Holy Orders
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Absolutely the unique unit can be crusader order units templars from monasteries hospitallers from the castles and UT can be things related to crusader states
There was no need for me to respond at all, but I’ll explain why I’m being defensive.
You referred to people who “call themselves atheists” rather than just “atheists”. In context, my reading of that was that you think any westerner who says they’re an atheist is not actually an atheist – either they’re mistaken or lying.
This idea that people who claim to be atheists are not actually atheists is a common trope in theists’ criticisms of atheists, going back at least to Saint Paul I think. There are several variants, but what you said fits one I’ve come across a lot online. The “argument” is something like: western culture is so heavily influenced by Christianity that any westerner is effectively a Christian; therefore any westerner who claims to be an atheist is wrong. I’ve mostly seen it used as a way to question atheists’ credibility and thus discredit their opinions, especially on morality.
Now you might not have been aware of the trope or that other people make similar arguments, and this might not have been your intention at all. But that’s how it read to me and hopefully that explains why I was triggered.
Anyway…
This I agree with. Probably not an appropriate place for talking about religion – except inasmuch as it’s relevant to AoE2 (civ design, monk play, etc.).
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Jews being an official civ in AoE2 is unlikely to happen because during the medieval era, they didn’t have a major nation. However, if they were to be a civ in AoE2, I can guarantee that their building set would be the Middle Eastern one because Jews originated in the Middle East.
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Aren’t the lot of those a bunch of pre existing ethnicities that later built up their religion to suit themselves? My Jew lore is faint, but I think it was the other way around for the Jews - there were part of some greater ethnicity and then diverged from it with the foundation of their religion.
If you mean as in Jews descent from Canaanites, there probably is some truth to that, but it gets complicated since our faith is almost 6000 years old, especially when compared to the other groups. Druze, from what I know, for example, split off from the Shi’ites.