lmaooo no idea why you’re so mad and loathsome but it’s funny, alright!
我想問到底是誰幫DEV設定一個“需要歷史相關才能加入遊戲”的框架？
有鄂圖曼，但是沒有拜占庭。這不是已經說明根本不會有成對的文明。
所以請增加瑪雅或阿茲特克，不論有沒有西班牙。
None except making a historical campaign from the Nara period (794-1185) or the Gempei Wars (1185-1192) to the Siege of Osaka (1615)…
That’s true, I totally agree… first we need to give historical campaigns and battles to the civs that don’t have them yet (Abbasids, Delhi, Ottomans and Malians), then we need to cover the early middle ages (476-1066) in their totality and after that we can consider extending to other historical periods…
Anything that will market well. Japanese and Koreans are top of my list. One, Weebs love playing with Samurai. Two, Korea is the RTS capital of the world. I’m sure having themselves represented will have them play more.
Anything and everything that will increase the playerbase.
歐洲基督教文化圈可以有英格蘭、法蘭西、神聖羅馬帝國，那是因為他們是白人。
東亞不是白人，所以同時有日本韓國的機率不高。他們甚至無法區分中國、日本、韓國。
AOE2的中國建築全是日式風格。AOE3 中國、日本的建築和單位被混合。
有趣的是這與現實世界的國力消長有關。AOE2開發的時代，日本GDP世界第二。隨著中國的國力增強，AOE3 的中國文化開始鮮明。AOE4 的時間點中國的科技、經濟影響力大幅增長，中國成為遊戲的東亞代表。
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I think more civs from around the Japanese archipelago could help with that. I’d go with Emishis and maybe Ryukyuans (Okinawans’ ancestors) and some group that was ethnically Japanese but somewhat different (Satsuma maybe? Idk what they were up to in the middle ages).
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Urumi Swordsman would be given to the Muvendar civilization. Chakram Thrower would be given to the Gurjaras (or Rajputs). The War Elephant needs to become a shared unit you know.
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The game appears to be in survival mode. Any new civs need to attract new players, bring old players back, and keep existing players.
So rule out Europe except for the Norse/Vikings.
Also acceptable: Japanese and either the Maya or Aztecs/Triple Alliance.
Unfortunately, they scuffed up India by choosing the world’s most politically charged version of them and went so far as to assign Delhi’s elephants that peculiar and suffocating unique unit badge. So Muslim Indians it is and always will be unless the game sees at least a handful of additional civs.
Eastern Roman Empire and Japanese should be next i think. You can’t really have a game about medieval warfare without Byzantines, and for the japanese…well, everyone likes samurais
Only Norse? What about Byzantines?
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Byzantines have perhaps zero curb appeal to anyone without much understanding of history, who are also known as the game’s target audience for brand new players.
But Vikings are universally cool. They have built-in branding. Everyone in the world can hear that name and close their eyes and immediately envision what this civ would look like and play like.
If your job is on the line, and you need the next DLC to sell games, then you grab the juiciest, lowest hanging fruit and cash it in.
That’s screaming Norse berserkers, mighty Japanese Samurai, and brilliant Mayan Jaguar Warriors.
You design the Byzantines or Portuguese at your peril. I’m a history nerd and would love those civs, but the game needs to hit the largest audience.
I also agree that it needs flashy and exciting civilizations
I also believe that vikings would be a great option and I say more, release it soon, I want to play kkkkk
Other cool options to launch to attract attention:
→ Aztecs, Incas, Khymer, Spaniards, Japan and even the Byzantines at some point.
→ *** Another incredible option that must be done and should attract attention are: Chola or Maratha (developers said they would add another Indian civilization, and apparently there are a lot of people in love with Indians, so one of these two should come at some point)
Regarding the issue of elephants… single unit or not. I believe that when new civilizations come that use elephants, new unique elephants will also come, but I don’t know if there will be a standard/common version, maybe there will never be a standard version.
Since each elephant could have unique stats, it’s easier to balance if each elephant is like a unique unit for each. Example:
Some elephants would be more armored;
others faster but less armored;
others don’t have crossbow upgrades just to have an extra archer;
others are equipped with a unique new weapon;
some elephant could have a new ability;
and so on (not forgetting to mention the life stats, damage, price, crafting speed that would be different).
什麼“DLC加入X文明就能吸引新玩家”這種鬼扯蛋的理論可以停止嗎？
任何一款遊戲在發佈時就已經確定有多少人埋單。不喜歡某類遊戲的玩家不會為了某個酷炫的追加內容而變成新玩家。DLC只能鞏固老玩家，減少玩家流失而已。
I think Vikings could be paired with Byzantines, given the Varangian guard was a thing
That’d work basically like 3DE DLCs, which seem to pair a more famous civ with a more obscure one.
Well, truth to be told, civ choice affects whether players are interested in a game or not. The most frequent requests for AoE 4 since its launch are Japanese, Byzantines and Vikings.
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別自欺欺人了。你知道三國群英傳8的DLC嗎？你不知道，對吧？因為你根本不知道有這款遊戲。我也可以告訴你三國群英傳8的DLC新增日本，你會買這款遊戲嗎？
想增加什麼文明就直說，不用拐彎抹角找冠冕堂皇的理由。
Do you mean the Total War game by chance? Well, I’m not that much into the game’s setting, which is why I also don’t play Shogun Total War. I’m more into Middle Ages and Antiquity which is why I prefer Medieval 2 and Rome Total War.
AoE 4 on the other hand features civs from all over the world, so civ choice definitely affects potential customers.
You’re describing Rus.
EDIT: My bad, for some reason I thought you were suggesting to combine the two and not release them together as individual civilizations.
既然你不會因為其他遊戲新增日本而買，那你怎麼認為別人會因為AOE4新增你想要的文明而買？
去年AOE4加入Mali令人驚艷。沒人對非洲文明有興趣，對吧？除了美人魚變黑，沒人說想在AOE4玩非洲文明。
我認為新增這些被忽視的文明才有趣。想要維京海盜、日本武士，你有一堆其他遊戲可以選。
I didn’t say I won’t buy other games if they include Japan, I said, I’m generally not interested in the specific settings of Three Kingdoms and Shogun. That’s a big difference.
Malians was a bit of a hit and miss as most expected Ottomans to be bundled with Byzantines as both historically speaking were rivals.