Hey, leave those alone! The male ones were done by Cysion himself.
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So how does it matter?
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They date back to the earliest versions of Forgotten Empires. It’s just kind of a tradition that they’re here. I think the military voices got replaced early on, but the villager voices have been here since the start.
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Boot licking Syndrome
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Pretty sure Cysion himself will also like to improve the voices with professional/authentic voice acting if he gets a chance.
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No, I just want to keep those voice lines around as a memory of the HD expansions’ humble roots.
After the 3K lies, sounds like even more reason to redo them.
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Why didn’t they replace them with the AoE III voice lines considering they already exist?
Probably for the same reason they don’t use the Manchu voicelines for the Jurchens. They just don’t want to. Even though AoE3 uses AoE2 voice lines.
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But they designed The Forgotten Indians based on AoE3 Indians - Camel focus without Knight. This design also carried through in DOI, especially with Urumi Swordsman.
It’s actually the female one that is of bad quality. Just want a clearer and better quality.
If I’m not mistaken, at least the Military units use the Quechua Huaminca dialogues.
At the end of the day, he was most likely just the messenger, not the one who decided it, given that FE is only contracted to work on the series.
And oh boy do we know how people are quick at shooting messagers.
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Not sure how MS contracting work to FE, absolves Cysion of guilt for his dishonest responses to questions in an interview. Are you suggesting MS contracted Cysion to answer those questions as he did?
Did I say that? No.
Cysion, just like any other person involved in the development of the game is under NDA when it comes to yet-to-be-announced content thus needs to be careful and dodgy when it comes to embargo’d info, as it was the case with 3K when he joined the podcast.
Ultimately, we also don’t know who had the idea to stich the Khitan/Jurchens DLC and 3K DLC together (as the second ‘Unknown App’ predates 3K) thus should treat Cysion as the messenger doing your typical marketing speech.
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He could have just said no instead of giving false hopes.
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Should be somewhat better than the previous messy 3K DLC based on what they have released so far, however I’m again questioning their choice of civs.
The Muisca could fit in AoE 2 although not the best choice, the Mapuche are more of a AoE 3 civ as well as the Tupi. I’m wondering why they haven’t picked fan requested South American civs that fit better with the AoE 2 time period, like the Chimu or the Wari.
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Sure but this implies, wrongly, that the controversy stems from the ambiguity of his answers, which is just simply not the case.
In his response to the “are the chinese going away question” he spends some time describing how, and the differences how, the in game chinese and indians represented their real world counterparts. which as an aside, I actually thought was a very helpful answer to anyone who hasn’t been following this stuff for last couple years. Zero notes on any of that, A+ response… But then he just had to add at the very end that they weren’t splitting chinese.
In his response to the “why are we getting five civs” question, there’s a whole lot a waffling about nothing, but then, at the end, he has add that they needed five civs to tell the stories they wanted to tell.
In his response to “how many civs can we add” he starts of very vague and high level about how who knows but there is some limit and it’s defined by history. But then, at the end of the answer, he gives a specific example, the duchy of liege.
Every controversy isn’t borne from a LACK of specificity, but rather, EXCESSIVE and ERRONEOUS specificity that is always tacked on at the end. He starts off each answer just fine, but then for reasons, feels compelled to give additional erroneous specifics.
I created this graphic in regards to V&V, but it’s as true, if not even more true, for 3K.
If Cysion had stopped each answer about a sentence or two earlier, you’d be right, his answers would be just too ambiguous. But he didn’t.
Are you saying, the unreleased app predates the RELEASE of 3k, or predates the app that would ultimately become 3k?
It obviously predates the release of 3K, but I don’t think there’s any hard evidence it predates the app that would become 3k, and actually any inferences that can be made I’d think would suggest towards the opposite, the 3k half preceded the medieval half.
Considering there is no campaign for the medieval civs, it’d make sense that was the later stuff. If they had campaigns for Jurchens and Khitans, IDK why you don’t just release them, and charge more. they were already providing more content, such that it was, and charging more.
So it seems more likely to me that 3K was the more mature stuff, but they teased the medieval stuff in February, so by at least february the DLCs had been combined, which is all a wash anyways since the interview was weeks after we learned there was going to be five civs, and I’m sure Cysion learned of that decision before we did. So he had at the absolute, very least, weeks to understand what the DLC was going to be.
I really don’t see how this is relevant to anything.
I’m sorry, but I don’t know how this implies what you just wrote.. unless one wants to misunderstand on purpose.
I am fully aware that Cysion’s dodgy responses during the podcast is one of the reasons.
I find this section of your reply quite interesting as you repeat it quite often when the podcast is brought up. Can you maybe provide a timecode or transcript of this particular section? It’s been a while since I heard this particular episode, so I just want to hear it again.
My mistake, I thought the ‘Unknown App’ predates 3K but apparently it has been pasted between 3K and the second Chronicles:
Because he wasn’t simply dodgy, he wasn’t simply careful. Quite the opposite, he introduced specifics in furtherance of answering the posed questions, which is the opposite of being dodgy, however those specifics we later learned to be incongruous with the truth, which I would consider the opposite of being careful.
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As someone who previously dealt with content under NDA (I was involved in the translation of Return of Rome, even with an ingame credit), it is quite easy to identify Cysion’s reply as dodgy when you know what’s coming but can’t talk about it, especially after hearing the section again. I bet he was already aware what kind of reaction the addition of 3K would cause which you also can kind of hear in his voice and also see it in his gestures.
Compare that with previous occasions where Cysion talked about upcoming content, such as talking about AoE 4 at Gamescom 2022 or the interview for 2DE together with Adam Isgreen at E3 2019 and you can hear and see the difference.