而是指，有華夷秩序的出現，已然證明當時的中原已經出現了一個共同的文化群體，說明了在那裏的那一群人有他們自己的價值觀和文化認同，與其他「蠻夷」的生活方式的差異正是文化不同的一種體現。
并没有说中原人没有自己的文化共同体，但很显然除江浙之外的南方绝大多数地区是不被包括在这个文化共同体之内的，这点相关史料太多了我之前也说了很多就不再重复了。严格意义上来说，汉族应该只包括中原一带最多加上江浙湖北川渝，而剩下的南方地区不属于汉族。至于文化共同体可以不可以被叫做民族或民族“前身”，这也没有统一的标准，你认为可以，也许别人就认为不可以。
The Central Plains people indeed had a certain concept of “cultural entity” or “cultural community”, but apart from Jiangzhe much of Southern China was not included in such an “entity” and was perceived as others. I’ve already mentioned many such examples and instances from historical records so I won’t repeat myself. Strictly speaking (if we’re following the ancient Central Plain people’s worldview), then the Han ethnic group should only include the Central Plains plus Jiangzhe, Hubei, and Chuanyu, but not other areas of Southern China. And regarding whether peoples under a certain cultural influence can be called an ethnicity, there’s no unified standard on that, you think they could but others may think they couldn’t.
這個遊戲看起來是以民族為分類，但實際上是以文化認同群體作分類的。
一個中世紀中國文明，若它所主要代表是認同漢文化的這個大群體，即使在古時沒有漢人這種稱呼或民族概念，它依然可以，甚至適合被命名為漢人，也能覆蓋連帶與它關係密切的小群體。
“汉文化”这样的概念也是近现代才出现的，当年根本就没有这么一说。另外南方从来就没有被包含在这个文化共同体之内，当年的中原人不认为南方的俚僚猺僮蛮濮僰跟自己一样，否则他们也不会如此不尊敬这些人，而当年的南方人，想必也不会把中原人当作自己人。说白了，现代意义上的“汉族”，是清末民国的产物，不是古代的产物，跟古代中原人的世界观没什么联系。
“Han culture” is a concept that appeared relatively recently as did “Han ethnicity”, there were no such concepts in the past, and much of Southern China had never been included in such an “cultural entity” until the Republican era. The Central Plains people of that time didn’t consider the Li, Liao, Yao, Zhuang, Man, Pu, Bo etc. of Southern China to be the same as themselves, or else they wouldn’t disrespect or look down on them to such an extent. And the native southerners of that time didn’t regard Central Plains people as one of them either or else there wouldn’t be so many rebellions. To conclude, “Han ethnicity” was a concept that emerged in late Qing/early Republican era, and had very little to do with the worldview of the ancient Central Plains people.
我不清楚你讀了多少學術細節，但這是遊戲設計，你要懂得怎樣做才能配合遊戲，而非配合學術。
我已经充分考虑到游戏性了，因为如果按照古代中原人的世界观，那中国南方至少可以添加十几个不同的文明。而我认为只要添加滇人或牂柯人就够了，足够代表其他的那些。
倒是你，我跟你说游戏的时候你跟我扯什么“汉民族”，等到我用史料来证伪你所谓的“汉民族”的时候，你却又跟我扯游戏。
I already took into consideration of the game, cause if we’re going by the worldview of the ancient Central Plains people, then Southern China should at least have a dozen or so civs. But I think adding the Dians/Zangkes is already enough to cover the others.
When we’re discussing about the game you always talk about “Hanminzu”, but when I used records to disprove the existence of such a concept in the past, you start talking about the game again. Please be more consistent and stop being double-standard.