New DLC - The Mountain Royals

They also made a Crusader Knight but didn’t bother to give it to the Teutons :slightly_frowning_face:.

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Honestly the Qizilbash is kinda worse. It has an elite upgrade. Like, this is all programmed in and Persians just don’t have it. What a waste.

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@Tyranno13 Maybe they had a third civ in plan, probably Azeris but they dropped it mid way.

We already know that there is no point in counting on completely new Architecture Sets. There is no chance of an Andean Architecture Set, but I’m counting on the American DLC.

American Architecture Set (6 civs) - Aztecs, Chimu, Incas, Mayans, Muisca and Tarascans

Siamese civ could appear in Forgotten Empires 2.0. possibly in any DLC that would touch on Asia like Chinese DLC (Jurchens and Tibetans + Chinese and Japanese reworks).

Southeast Asian Set (4 civs) - Burmese, Khmer, Malay and Siamese

If the european dlcs are going the same way 2 civis 3 campaigns we still have vikings

Taking less damage on hills and less repair cost, this is the ultimate Viper castles on hills civ. They should be incredibly difficult to push in castle age, just drop 2 fortified churches, u can garrison, build redemption monks, counterattack with knights and the villagers even work more efficient, fast imp is maybe the way

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Why would Georgians get only -15% damage on a hill yet Tatars get +25% damage on a hill. Is giving -25% OP or something? I don’t get it.

-40% damage is already quite strong. It shouldn’t be any stronger.

Doing +25% damage cannot be compared to receiving -25% damage. Because opponent would need +33% damage to negate your -25%.

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But then the African building set will be the only one left with 2 civs.

There can be an African DLC in the future adding civs like the Ghanaians, the Shona, and the Swahili.

@Blast9867 What if we move Berbers to African , then Hindustanis to Central Asian.

Tatars bonus applies to units only. But Georgians bonus applies to both units and buildings. That’s why the value should be lower.

I don’t think it is lower actually.

If -15% means they reseceive 60% damage instead of 75%, then this means they actually take 25% more damage before they collapse. (75/60 = 125%)

And for Tatars: If the bonus means that they do 150% instead of 125% damage, then this is just an increase of 20%. (150/125 = 120%)

So it depends on if these additional multipliers are just added to the normal multipliers (like I assume here), or if they also multiply the normal multipliers.

But probably the Georgian 15% bonus actually means 25%, and the Tatar 25% bonus actually means 20%.

You used two different methods. In first one you used generic/bonus and in second one you used bonus/generic.

I can’t understand, because Armenia was good at heavy cavalry in real history.

If you calculate 60/75 you end up with 80%, so 20 % less then 100%, but taking 20% less damage means that the buidling lasts 25% longer.

So you can express the same thing with 2 different numbers.

Georgian builings on elevation take 20% less damage, what means they last 25% longer.
And Tatars from elevation do 20% more damage, what means buildings last 16.7% shorter. What also means that a buildings last 20% longer when attacked from non-Tatars from elevation compared to Tatars, what I compared here to the Georgian bonus.

But your method is not consistent. Generic civ as the base line should be the denominator.

For example, consider 100 as the base line. 80 is 20% lower compared to 100. And 125 is 25% higher than 100.

However, if you say 100 is 25% higher than 80 and 125% is 25% higher than 100, you’re not having any number as your base.

It is complicated because in one case (Georgians) the boni concerns the defending side, and in the other case (Tatars) the attacking side. So it is not so easy to compare. And the whole think is awkward to explain.

But taking 20% less damage (60% instead of 75%) is better than doing 20% more damage (150% instead of 125%). Because 1 x 0.8 x 1.2 = 0.96. The Georgian and Tatar boni can never interact with each other, but if they could the georgian would be slightly dominant, because it is a bit stronger.

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Indeed.

True. This is true for any value. I realized this when DOI bonuses revealed and both Sicilians and Gurjaras had 50% bonus damage.

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