New italians after the update and further ideas for the next ones

[DoctBaghi]

@UpmostRook9474

So even we just talk about the Italians, maybe we still have to consider about other civs.

There already is a topic talking about portos, so if you have suggestion you can go there and talk about it.

Here is the link:

Portuguese Buff not enough by far (land)

We all know Portuguese despite the change to -20% less gold for unit cost, is still one of the weakest units, specially in land battles. While in the water they have a good way, for land battles they are at the botton, specially with their old “botton neightbors” being buffed a lot (Khmer, Vietnamese, Teutons). Giving the -20% gold cost only accentuates how the Organ Gun is population ineffective, while despite you being able to build 1 or 2 more (7%) at the same cost, the unit itself still won…

@UpmostRook9474

Yes that will be the best ideal situation but we still are mentally prepared.
Italians has best navy in the game, sometimes even better than Viking.

Yeah true, and I don’t want to buff them in water. The problem is, that water is a lot less common than land, so basically italians are a civ that you see only in full water maps (not even hybrid). On land it’s like there are 34 civs (35 - italians).

Also, while most land bonus could still be used on full water maps (eco bonus are always useful, and militay ones can be used for landings) water bonus cannot be used on pure land, and on hybrid they have a situetional and limited use.

I don’t want to make italians OP on land, just viable, so that their archers (they are classified as an archer and navy civ, but wile their navy is good, their archer are pretty generic for an archer civ) have a viable and a bit out of the ordinary strategy.