New italians after the update and further ideas for the next ones

Sorry, I hope it’s not a problem if I answer you here @Flopdos4957, it’s just that there are a lot of separate and sparse discussions about italians, and the more we keep them together the better it is (there will be a link to your post under here).

To answer you, italians vs turks is already a bad match up for turks, even before the buff to the condos.
The condos were always good vs gunpowder, but now they are more viable in general, and versus some units like EEW or huskarls.

Still, I don’t think that they are a good arena units, yes you could find a way to use them occasionally, but they can be easily stopped and countered by walls and archers.

Maybe they could be used with a fast imp strategy with an agressive castle foward (since you need it anyway for pavise) or with some BBC (which are cheaper, but you need an university and chemistry) and/or siege towers.

There are some possibilities, but nothing too crazy.

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