Persians, despite losing the +5 gold per kill bonus, have actually gone up in win rate.
Hindustanis have rocketed up 23 places to #1, a pretty impressive change for just a 3% change. I’m suspecting this has more to do with players than the actual change?
Dravidians are decent now? New patch has them up 18 places, and performing around 50% win rate at 1900+. Maybe the result of Devotion? Only thing I can think of. With limited options, they might be more inclined to go for it compared to other options.
Georgians are WAY down. Dropped 18 places at 1900+. Bear in mind, this is with just a handful of games still, so will have to wait a bit to see how it plays out, but definitely indicative of a buff in the works.
3 percents buff hindustanis!!! “a pretty impressive change for just a 3% change. I’m suspecting this has more to do with players than the actual change?” you’re so right…this is ridiculous !23 to 1st.
Just to explain what I meant there a bit, there was a League hero who got nerfed, and instantly lost like 20% win rate. Except a few weeks later it turned out there was a bug and the nerf actually never went through.
It was just players expecting the nerf that caused the WR loss.
Wow, yeah, they’ve really fallen from their old reputation, haven’t they? 4th from the bottom overall, 9th from the bottom at 1200+. That must be largely from the monk change.
If they’re to get a tweak upwards, I’d like it to be for the Jaguar too. They’re easily the worst infantry UU at the moment; far too niche, and even in that niche, just not that great.
Honestly, I’m seriously impressed at how effectively the chinese buff seems to have hit them. They’re basically mid-tier at 1200+ now, without being too OP at high elos, a really nicely tuned tweak.
Or the game is better balanced than you thought, which would make seemingly small changes have a larger effect. Or - data is still new, and all data, especially new data, will generally spit out some odd results.
However, I’ve played with the Hindustanis after the change, really do enjoy that extra 3% in dark age, where it matters most. Doesn’t surprise me that players who are more confident with their relatively odd mix of options would be able to make them strong.
Sad day how devotion gives the Aztec monk a new highest HP total with another tech to snag - and it’s still definitely, unmistakably a nerf to the Aztecs because it makes their castle age smush harder if their opponent gets it.
Hindustanis bolted to the top. I expected improvement, but i’d (apparently naively) assumed that if you split the difference between their old and recent vill discounts, they’d perform about in the middle. It would seem there is instead some critical threshold where a vill discount goes from not great to great.
Saracens are down 10 spots in 1200+ elo (admittedly they’re up 4 spots in 1900+ elo). Saracen mamelukes lost like 5hp in castle age, but otherwise they got zealotry for free. It just doesn’t compute to me how that in any circumstance translates to a worse performance. Maybe people think Bimaristan is going to be super awesome and get it when they shouldn’t causing them to be out those resources and consequently losing them the game??? Maybe the monk changes are hurting them???
Bengalis actually down a few spots in both 1200+ and quite a few for 1900+ despite Rathas being buffed. Looking at their good and bad matchups, the most significant change I see is that incas, which was a bad matchup for bengalis, was nerfed, so I don’t see how that translates to bengalis performing worse. I see no smoking gun where a few civs got buffed and they’re demolishing bengalis. Wasn’t expecting a huge jump in performance, but I wasn’t expecting them to take a hit. Maybe the monk changes are hurting them specifically somehow??? Maybe the revised Bengali elephant conversion resistance is bugged?
Turks are up 20ish spots in both 1200+ and 1900+ and I don’t see any obvious culprit. Maybe it’s just a fluke??? They are performing very well against Bengalis, so maybe the Bengalis being oddly bad is helping to make the Turks look oddly good? That’s a big swing tho for just one of 44 matchups.
Everything else either is either a smaller less noteworthy change, or makes more sense when you dig into the patch notes and/or civ matchups. Saracens, Bengalis, and Turks tho, are beyond my ability to explain.
There’s 3 problems with looking at stats in less than a month.
Very few number of games at mid and higher elo brackets.
Most matchups for each civ won’t be covered.
Anomalous games like drops, crashes, afk starts might influence the stats.
So even if available, please wait for a month before you start analyzing the performance of various civs.
That being said I wouldn’t be surprised if Persians continue to have higher win rate than previous patch. Because increased minimum conversion time of knight line with Devotion is a huge buff compared to the 5 gold per kill imo.
It could be the small data effect but 3% is 2 less food than last month and only 1 more food compared to last year until imperial age. So its put them much closer to last year.
Again could be small data. But if it holds out eventually could be devotion protecting their push/defense against redemption civs, maybe ranged regrouping being better as well. Maybe they match well vs Hindustanis which are picked more now.
Georgians were already a very mediocre civ. Even with the uu considered broken they were bottom 15 for quite some time. Quite understandable if at scale they continue to drop.
3% change is huge of course. Main strength of Hindustanis is villager discount and this change means that 60% more food bonus in Dark Age, 30% food bonus in Feudal Age, 20% food bonus in Castle Age and 15% bonus in Imperial Age. I proposed 8%/12%/16%/20% before. Devs will step back to my proposal in my opinion.
Dravidiians is okay. Only change game needs that Champion-line speed increased from 0.9 to 0.95 (5.5% faster movement speed).
Win rate of Slavs is very low currently. They become best civilization after buff.
Makes sense though. Imagine a patch notes say mangudai attack is dropped to 2 now. And no one checks that. People won’t train mangudai and then lose.
Saracens didn’t get any change in this patch though. It was previous patch. I think devotion nerfed their monks.
I’d say they are more nerfed than buffed in that patch even if the conversion resistance calculation is true. No one makes BE just because of Devotion. +1 minimum and +1 maximum second is +1 bucket of water into the sea when it comes to BE. So you stay at EA or Ratha as usual and die to knight/eagle/camel which you can no longer convert.
LC with +1PA can counter everything Bengalis can throw to them. And I guess devotion helped.
riiiiiiight, right. devotion. IDK why I didn’t think of that. It’d explain why some monk reliant civs aren’t doing so hot. Honestly a few more civs make sense now in retrospect.
also yes, the zealotry change was last patch, you are correct.
turks improving some 20 spots is more than just a change in the Turk v Bengalis matchup can explain. like I’m sure it contributed, but it feels like something else happening.
Honestly, this could be another player error. Devotion alone isn’t going to make BEs counter monks, but it WOULD make scout cav basically hard counter them, whereas before they could be countered in small numbers.
So the combination of BEs and scout cavalry might actually be viable now in some cases. Bengalis in particular could really just sit there fighting, ignoring the monks entirely, while the scout cavalry kill them all off, and end up being just fine. After all, they’ve gone from a minimum conversion time of 7, to a new minimum of 9 after devotion, better than default scout cavalry.
Yeah Aztecs, Bengalis and Saracens. All make sense.
Gotta check Bohemians and Burmese. Maybe also Spanish, Portuguese and Lithuanians.
Well, it is not possible to make both BE and LC as you can’t get enough food. But I think you’re right. It can go either way.
Minimum was 5 actually. Before this patch they had only +1 min and +2 max So instead of generic 4-10, it was 5-12. Now it is +3 min and +1 max meaning 8-11 instead of generic 5-9 and 9-12 after devotion instead of 6-10.
Man, Teutons is insane now. Need to check if they have a high jump or not.
