New Regional unit proposal: mounted crossbowman

Call it regional if you want, in practice no civ would have both (some would have neither). It’s just to spice up mounted xbows, making them a bit different from horse archers on top of the reskin

After all parthian tactics is already regional to civs mostly in or near the Great Steppe

The Italian hand cannoneers would be even more broken, and the Janissaries would be outclassed into oblivion.

Spanish, Bohemian, and Burgundian hand cannoneers could also be too strong to deal with.

Is that not enough that janissaries now have their cool hat ?

But indeed the arquebus shouldn’t be made a regional unit, it’s given to the Portuguese as they focus more on 15th century explorers but other civs are more medieval, it’s best if they stick to the earlier handgonne.

What are you talking about? They have almost the same tech tree as the Italians.

My idea is to create a new unit with which to improve the Hand Cannons: the Arquebuses. In the same way we have the Houfnice improving the BBCs.

Hand Cannons would be weaker than the current ones (e.g. -5 HP, -1 Attack, -1 Range), affected by ballistics, and compared to now they would also be available to the Chinese.

After that, Portuguese, Spanish, Franks and Turks (I’m probably forgetting someone) would have access to the Arquebuses. The UTs of the Portuguese/Italians will have to be rebalanced but I don’t see that as a problem.

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Ballistic for other gunpowder units could still work but likely would require a rebalance. Actually I’d like to see arquebus for other civilizatins too if balanced properly.

I think it’s a very solid idea, but what about the other gunpowder units? It would be a bit weird if arquebuses had ballistics while the other gunpowder units didn’t.

What are you even on about? REGIONAL unit?

Han Dynasty cavalryman with crossbow says hello.

It’s not exactly a stroke of genius to bring your crossbow with you on a horse. The corresponding unit upgrade in most other games after heavy crossbow cavalry would be to pistols (Schwarz Ritter anyone?) or carbines.

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Afghans also had mounted crossbows called Charkh/Jarkh. So perhaps Tatars, Persians and Hindustanis can also have these units.

I mean, elephant archers are regional for Indians despite being super common in elephant warfare. Tractions Trebuchets were extremely common in medieval times, China had a lot of catapults and cannons…

Also, you can call it Cranequinier, which is the way they were known in Europe

Whats the deeper purpose of this unit? None of the civs that seem to be candidates seem well suited to the unit with the Abysmal archer and sometimes even bad cavalry tech Europeans get.

Certainly none get the cav archer specificity techs not one Parthian Tactician and that feels wrong.

Like even then some had mounted archers. England even used longbowmen on horseback at times

Make no mistake I hate how EVERY regional unit seems to get a special bonus or tech to make it civ specific jnstead of just a unit that happens to be in the roster but at least ONE bonus civ? Please!

Only Spanish and Portuguese have the tech tree to use them to their near fullest and they lack Parthians as well

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Also Spain and Portugal prob shouldnt get mounted crossbows

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Great because all the other Euros have atrocious archer tech let alone most dont even have husbandry or Blood lines

You can just work with that and make the unit stronger :man_shrugging:

And maybe add new bonuses idk

Considering there were 12 Paladins and they all worked for Charlemagne, I am going to say “no”

I am aware of Chinese cavalry crossbowman. Here is the post I made 3 days ago. It seems that Chinese cavalry xbow filled slightly different role? I need to do more research on this.

Someone said camel riders are also a regional unit. Mounted xbow should not be universal unit and therefore I used the term ‘regional’.

Fighting on camels?

This will be Conquistadors reskin.

Chinese had somewhat like windlass to reload a xbow. But I am not sure whether they used cranequin to reload xbow.

This unit means to shine in Castle Age. The base accuracy is 100% which makes it viable without researching thumb ring. And faster to fight pikes without researching fletching-line. It does not matter even it falls off in imperial age. It has a timing stronger than cavalry archers anyway. I don’t intend to make a stronger cavalry archer variant.

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Spain have Conq while Portuguese have gold discount on any military unit. They should get Genitour instead.

My understanding is that English mounted archers would dismount to shoot.

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Mine too, longbow is not a weapon you can use on horseback.We can take some creative liberty and assume they are represented by CA units ingame.

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They did. And so did French and Burgundian lbows which they copied on the english model. Though the french and burgundian ones over time became closer from shock cavalry due to using more armour while relying less often on their bow, making it deceptive, while they were a large part of late medieval professional armies (around 1500 4 of the 7 soldiers of a lance were “archers”, which rose to 5 out of 8 in 1515), you’d actually expect them to be more cavalry.

Ingame it would have 2 modes like the ratha :

  • mounted, as light/medium cavalry
  • dismounted, as foot archers
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