On what makes sense for a possible European DLC

I would like this basic formation to return to the game where rifle or bow units are not mixed with musketeers.

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I would like that units line up by their range and HP.
Put the further range one behind, then the higher HP one in the front.

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Italians - Argentina, Brazil or United States and Yugoslavia(1)
Poles - Cossacks / Ruthenia(2), Lithuania(3) and Czechoslovakia(4)
Danes - Norway(5) and United States

(1) Also available for Ottomans civ and Germans civ
(2) Also available for Russians civ
(3) Also available for Russians civ and Swedes civ
(4) Also available for Germans civ
(5) Also available for Swedes civ

Additional revolutions:

  1. Bulgaria - for the exclusivity of the Ottomans civ
  2. Greece - Italians and Ottomans civ
  3. Belgium - French and Dutch
  4. Switzerland - French, Germans and Italians
  5. Ireland - for the exclusivity of the British civ

A total of 10 new revolutions

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Thats true. I wanted to point to the fact they were not uniquely Austrian.

If the emeperor is of a Bavarian dynasties would we say the Germans represent Bavarians?

Then they picked bad design. In MP those swordsmen are expensive and slow. Yes, when they get to enemy lines they are nice. However that enemy player must be dumb to allow such situation. Most German players open the game with uhlans (for raidins obviously) and combination cross/pikemen. Cannons are better than swordsmen. In conclusion if this unit was chosen to be the “representative” of Germans it failed…

Example: French have cuirisiers or general focus on cavalry. Most players use it. Brits have hussars and musks as their “unique” unit and most players use them etc. In case of Germans this works only for uhlans and wagons to some extent…

In what way? Like Germans almost never used natives? Or Natives were not used much in general? Tbh its weird we use argument of “ahystorical” features here while at the same time we are content with “ahistorical” lack of hussars and musks.

You could have two pop limits as we have already for “our” soldiers and those of natives. Look at the African DLC they even added salt mine with pop lim 1. I think the means are almost limitless :slight_smile:

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I would put as German leader the Holy emperor Joseph II (1741-1790),son of Maria Theresa of Austria and brother of Marie Antoinette (wife of Louis XVI).He would say that during his term of office he wanted to ensure the European status quo achieved by his mother and protect the imperial possessions against the advance of enlightenment and liberal ideas of democracy resulting from the American revolution and the French revolution.He was also a contemporary of Mozart,of which he was a patron.

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I like it that…but the Russians,the Germans and the Swedes if they have revolutions:Russia has Romania,Hungary, and Finland;Germany has Gran Colombia,Argentina,and Hungary and Sweden has Finland and United States,in addition being Poland a great power of the time,it would be a waste of potential to make it a simple revolution;although I do not rule out giving it a possibility of Polish revolution for Russia,by the theme of the Revolutions of 1831 and 1863.

what relationship would there be between Italy and Yugoslavia?,I preferred to leave Yugoslavia to Germans and Ottomans no more and Italy would give Switzerland (on the subject of papal Swiss guards and Swiss mercenaries)…and would exchange Ruthenia for Ukraine…

The Venetian Republic had its territory in the region of Dalmatia (southern Croatia) and several other lands in the former Yugoslavia. In fact, Italians could also have the possibility of a Greek Revolution, as the Venetian Republic also had numerous Greek territories.

If we did not get the new European civs like Prussia and Austro-Hungary then the Germans civ might have the possibility of a Yugoslav Revolution. If Austro-Hungary and Prussia were to be added to this game, then the access to the Yugoslav revolution would go to Austro-Hungarian civ.

Why?

Ukraine sounds too modern. Ruthenia sounds much better within the AoE 3 timeframe. Besides, not only Ukrainians themselves could identify with this name, but also Belarusians and Rusyns.

Could work just as fine, as long as it’s an actual Habsburg emperor I’m satisfied. In the end the leaderheads are relatively minor things, they just add some flavour to the faction.

Poland was not and has never been a great power, Poland was a regional power, basically the step below a great power.

I agree with you! Poland could be a playable civ in AoE 3, but before it there were more powerful European civs not present in the game, in the AoE 3 timeframe. It is worth noting that in the times of AoE 3 Poland was on the verge of collapse. The victory in the Battle of Vienna (1683) took place 23 years after the Swedish Deluge (1655-1660) - so apart from enormous prestige, this battle did not benefit Poland. It is also worth adding that 100 years later Austria will partition Poland xDDDDD

On the other hand, the Italians civ was also not an empire, but the Italian states were very important and influential.

ok,on Italy I do not think it is bad;on Austria-Hungary I do not think they put them,although if it is possible that they put the Austrian empire per se (by the subject of the Napoleonic wars) and on putting Ukraine above Ruthenia,it is by the subject of the Cossack Hetmanate (1649-1764),who was Ukrainian and who also spoke Polish…

Yes,the same I think besides changing Napoleon for Louis XIV or changing the fleur-de-lis flag for the tricolored French flag…

ok,Poland was not a great power,but while it was an important power at the regional level,it faced and fought against the powers already present in the game:the Holy Roman Empire,Sweden,Russia and the Ottoman Empire from the fifteenth century to the end of the eighteenth century (and I would tell you until the mid-nineteenth century with the theme of the revolutions of 1831 and 1863)…

so since we were talking about great powers and regional powers i figured it might be interesting to list them. for interest a regional power is someone who can influence their local area while a great power can project power globally (or at least continentally). the list is based upon Europe, in a more global context other nations would be added and one could argue some of these might also change position but were only interest in Europe atm. also keep in mind that great power does not necessarily make a lot of sense before the 30 years war.

Great powers:

United kingdom

France

Russia

Prussia (starting with Frederik the great)

Austria/HRE (the individual German states obviously weren’t but together under Austria they were pretty formidable)

Spain (only really in the start, Spain was a shadow of itself by 1800)

Sweden (militarily only, economically they weren’t that strong)

Regional powers:

The Netherlands (large colonial empire, but it is not like they just boss people around in Europe)

Sweden (beyond the 30 years war and the great northern war Sweden was pretty obviously a regional power)

Denmark-Norway

Portugal (again large colonial empire but pretty unimportant in Europe)

Poland

Piedmont-sardnia (only towards the very end of the periode)

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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

And the golden freedom that it was?..it served as a modern proto-parliamentarianism,as were the reforms and Hussite wars of the fifteenth century with respect to the Protestant Reformation and the wars of religion of the following century…in addition when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was created (1569) it is in the middle of the Renaissance,which quietly enters the time period of aoe 3 and already taking advantage of the fact that they have the Polish civ of aoe 2,putting it in aoe 3 would be practically a formality…(of course if we ignore the question of having to create the respective polish home city with their respective polish decks of cards)…

ok,hence the only powers,that we have left are the regional powers we are talking about:Italy,Poland and Denmark-Norway;which is not like there are many great European empires at the time that are not already in the game xd…

you talking about 1 of the worst government systems ever created? it was a joke, anyone with voting rights could veto everything essentially letting foreign powers run the country through bribes of just a couple of nobles.

AOE 3 factions are far more complex than AOE 2 factions.