Ottoman Humbaraci should be nerfed
Ottoman Humbaraci is a unit that defeats all grenadiers. An extremely unstable unit. Just having a less ranged resistance and area of effect does not make this unit on par with other grenadier units. With all upgrades this unit is cheaper than other grenadier units, has less training time, more line of sight, more speed, more range, more hit points, more attack damage and siege resistance. This unit should be equal to or slightly stronger than other grenadier units and certainly not too powerful. For this reason, the Ottoman Humbaraci definitely needs to be nerfed in order to maintain the balance between similar units.
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Completely Agree with the Title. 
In team and late games this unit is just game breaking.
It Literally counters every unit if the game. And it can kill its own counters faster. Meanwhile it dies very slow to them.
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Agreed. Humbaraci are too strong with the -20% cost in age 4.
The late game siege-y infantry death pushes are getting old in general, but Ottoman certainly doesn’t need one.
Ottoman used to be weak late game as a balance consideration because they were so strong for so much of the game before that point. Giving Ottoman’s a Fencing School card was a bad move. Their other historic weakness was Dragoon masses where Jan/Abus struggled. But that weakness was removed as well.
Personally, I’d nerf the -20% cost card to -15% for Jans and -5% for their other heavy infantry. The other change that would help is move their Fencing School to age one and have it only help by -25%, much like the Russia’s Dueling School or combine it with Engineering School but have it improve Infantry and Artillery train speed by only 20%. Any infantry training boost was huge, but the full 40 was too much. Nerfing these cards also likely fixes the Humbaraci problem (even if they don’t touch the unit).
Even after those nerfs Otto will be way stronger in treaty than they used to be, 22 range Abus, Azaps, trainable Nizams, an extra combat card in age 4, extra artillery los (why is that a thing?), Humbaraci, Delis, etc.
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100% agreed.
Dev’s are too busy ###### native civs with nerfs while buffing European civs.