otto grens are some of the best grens, dont take that from them 
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It would make more sense as a shipment from the metropolis.
Here is a dumb idea, i have no idea if the market mechanic works the same in aoe 3 but to steal a very old idea from aoe 2 we could give otto something similar to the saracen market bonus. They already have the silk road card and a good-ish tp boom and their weakness has always been their vil production so this could make them more economically flexible
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I totally agree. Actually, several older mods included the Akinci Cavalry Archer or Deli Light Cavalry in the Ottoman roster in the past, which would have been also more historically correct as well.
Saphis aren’t good for that? Hussars?
Otto already has a card in age 3 i think that gives cav archer bonus vs vils. It was floated before that the card could also give like a 10% atk boost for cav archers. Could be interesting
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how about Spahi training enable in stable？
Too Op in my opinion. Maybe in the fort with a slower build rate than standard cavalry.
The nizam should also be enabled in the fort.
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Yes, today or tomorrow the tournament ends, when we have the final results, I will send what I have to the forums so that it is public
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Make your conclusions gentlemen
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Interesting data there. Small sample sizes but ottos with both high pick rate and high win rate. All DE civs are least picked. India under performing.
Just a general comment after only reading the ropic: If every nerf was needed to be compensated by a buff, then balancing games would be pointless.
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Hahaha
Srry, I haven’t controlled those things, I think Kaiser used otomans in each round. Another reason for the high winrate is that it was heavily picked on maps with long TP lines, like Central Plain.
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A quick summary, The Ottomans are not OP. It is all about the player who uses The Ottos and obviously the map.
Same tradition for Turks since AoE2. Jus because they are very good at some maps doesnt mean that they are OP and doesnt need any tweak.
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If you ask me, in my personal experience, it points more to the OP. They only have a certain disadvantage in no TP map, but it is compensated quite well with other advantages. I think they need a slight nerf.
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Ottomans could start without the 100 food without problems, although I don’t know.
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or 50 food start, everyone should start with a crate of 50 food
I’m not sure of what we can conclude from these statistics. They are not many players, so maybe the best players only play ottomans because they like them, and that’s why they have a higher win rate, not because of the civilization ?
There may be a kind of “selection bias” here.
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I think that in these tournaments the players are forced to rotate civilizations, so they couldn’t play with the same civilization all the time, but I don’t know if they can still choose every time they can.