Even with the new Castle Age Parthian Tactics bonus for Persians, would you give Persian CA’s a chance, or Kamandaran trash crossbowmen will still do wonders?
Looking at long term, I still won’t use them for sure, lacking bracer in imp is a bit too much, it makes them scale horribly from castle to imp. I prefer them losing last armor upgrade to bracer tbh. If kamandaran gave CA some sort of compensation for the lack of bracer then I would use them starting from castle knowing they would be still useful in imp, like +3 infantries for example.
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I think cav archers will see use mainly at high level; they tend to downplay ############ utility and they can get more out of cav archers, and they plan to switch out before the counter comes anyway. At lower levels probably won’t see cav archers as much because they’re already a pain to micro while doing everything else, and they cap out in Castle Age
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Depends what you mean… In castle age, when I feel like it, I fine playing cav archers with any thumb-ring civ.
If you mean imperial, Persians HCA should be very nice if the gold bounty on kill apply to them, and should still be underwhelming otherwise.
But if it is about Partians tactics only:
- In castle age it is not enough go from unviable to viable: what is needed is a bonus on the unit or a discount on one of fletching/bodkinarrow/thumbrings/ballistics
- In imperial age it doesnt matter.
What about either:
- They remain as it is: no Bracer, but generate gold for compensation or
- What @FearfulSugar350 says, lose armor upgrade in exchange for Bracer
I don’t know what you are mumbling about
I thik CA will used to accompany your knight or camel to protect them from pikeman. In Imperial Age, I don’t think people will go for the HCA upgrade. And I don’t think PT will be researched that frequent either.
It does.
Yeah. Not convinced the devs 100% nailed new Persian cavalry archers.
Considering Persians use war elephants, knight line, and camels, the biggest counter to those is pike/halves and monks. So I’d thought it’d be fitting, at least in the context of complementing the rest of the Persian tech tree, if Persian CA had some bonus against monks and piles.
Kinda like the new Japanese CA bonus v archers.
I’d have preferred that over having Parthian tactics one age earlier. I do get the historical reasons why they want to give Persians some Parthian tactics related bonus. IDK.
I don’t think it’s worth getting PT in Castle Age.
It’s an Imp tech. It’s a very effective imp tech, but the situations why it’s so effective in imp don’t really occur in catel age. And it’s too costly for what it provides at that stage.
And the gold from Kills bonus… I don’t think this will bring Persian CA to a good stage. In Castle Age you don’t want to engage in combat with other military units with them, you want to mass them.
And in Imp I take Bracer all the time over 5 G / Military kill. What do I have from +5 g when my cav archers can’t kill the enemy army? It’s not helping in flip situations at all, only to snowball already won games.
When I look at a bonus I need to ask myself when can i use this bonus to get a V from it. And if the bonus only helps when I’m already ahead, yeah nice, but it doesn’t changes anything about the performance of a civ. It’s a neglectable bonus.
Btw, the gold bonus for the other cavalry is actually noticable. Persians are already a cav civ - and getting some gold return from you standard play is always nice. Especially in the lategame when you’re hussar spamming.
That said, when Persian eco stays that way… that’s some juicy bonus which indeed will win a lot of games 11
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It’s definitely usable in Castle Age, bonus damage against Pikemen and more Pierce Armor means you can just support your main cavalry army much better. And you can say you already do this with Skirmishers, but well… now your Cavalry Archers also pay themselves and the tech back by efficiently clearing Pikemen for you, and then your Cavalry can kill the enemy army on top.
Right now they feel like a straight upgrade from the Huns, really.
Parthian Tactics should be available in Castle Age for half price. Then we would be talking about a bonus
What does Parthian tactics even realistically even achieve in castle age?
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The +4 against pikes? Mass pikes in castle age? Just make 2 scorpions
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+4 PA cavalry archer? I’ve heard the argument that this will make them good against crossbows but if only perisans got some unit that has bonus damage against archers and is easy to tech into. Also, if the opponent makes knights, can’t you just mix in camels?
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You need at least thumb ring and husbandry for CA to be semi decent in castle age, and ballistics. Parthian tactics would be the last tech to get. It really does nothing in that age.
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Honestly I would have preferred some sorta late game buff to their CA, like a Royal Cav Archer unique upgrade to Heavy Cav Archer like I suggested in one of my threads. But that idea didn’t seem to have too many fans and obviously the devs also didn’t like that idea… Yea I am not really sure what this is supposed to give the Persians from a game play perspective. I guess its good that they can have some archers that can keep up with their cavalry in mid game and also can generate gold when they kill units unlike the Kamandaran line. But other than that I don’t see a benefit.
Well to be fair Parthian Tactics DOES give extra attack VS spearmen and you get it an age early so it is kinda a bonus in the vein that you suggest. But yea in Imperial that just becomes generic again.
Yes but unfortunately it doesn’t reduce the number of arrow to kill a pikeman for CA in Castle Age.
Oh really? I didn’t know that… then what’s the point?
ok, I gave Persian CA a try in castle age. Still not good imo, paying extra resource on Parthian tactic in early castle isn’t a very good idea because there are more important upgrades to get (bodkin → Bloodline → husbandry → ballistic → thumb ring), and by the time I finally got Parthian tactic, the game already transitioned from late castle to imp, so the impact of the bonus is not impactful at all. This is the exact same case with Turks’ Sipahi.
If the Persian also get it for half the price or with extra benefit like +3 vs halb or something, then I can see it’s justified
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Historical accuracy I guess.
Really good in Castle, basically they get a better cheaper version of the Tatar UT researchable at Ranges instead of Castles. The problems with going into CAs is a more universal one with CAs having very low damage output without TR and just in general being very expensive to tech into, making them primarily a late Imp powerhouse unit, Which is were Persian CAs fall off hard due to no Bracer.
CAs really need a buff in Castle in my view especially in regards to their shit base accuracy making them horrible outside of mild harassment without TR, but this will never happen because everybody is terrified for whatever reason that CAs will destroy everything with even the slightest buff to accuracy. Despite Tatars literally getting TR for free and this evidently not having happened with them
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