They could add some few NPCs that spoke different languages, but why they choose to reveal the Persian one in the reveal trailer? why they reveal an Arabic Civ and make their units spoke Persian, and as the other guy said the majority spoke Arabic just like when French or English spread their languages, or any other civilization actually.
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i really think we shouldnât jump into the conclusions, it might just be one unit type (camel riders) talking persian. we can just wait for more information
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Yes for sure, I am just discussing my concerns with you and I am waiting for official infos before making any real judging.
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they say that languages change as you age up, and as the Abbasid court adopted the Persian language it probably means that you start out with Arabic and go through Turkish/Persian languages. Persian units did serve in the Abbasid armies, and seeing unit languages go from Arabic to Persian does have some basis in history, though the majority of troops would speak Arabic before the disbandment of the regular standing army in favor of Turkish slave soldiers.
besides the Abbasids where not an Arab empire, but an Islamic once as they eliminated most of the ethnic policies/restrictions of the previous caliphate, adopted many cultural influences and allowed intermingling of their populations. the Umayyad caliphate instead would better fit the description as an Arab empire, as they dreamt and adopted policies of Arab supremacy and attempted to exclude non-Arabs from converting and receiving benefits afforded to Muslim citizens. the Abbasids meanwhile disbanded the Arab standing army in favor of the Turks.
What you said, not quite accurate because their main language was Arabic, until Mamluks take control I guess then Turkish was official too, but the problem not just here , the Golden Abbasids age was before the Mamluks when the control was with the Arabs, so how they will reach Golden Age as Turkish for example ? that doesnât make sense at all, and I disagree with you when you said it is not an Arabic Civ, even if they hire Turkish/Persian mercenaries it still considered Arabic civ created by Arabic peoples(Their name âاŮؚباسŮŮŮâ actually is the name of the Arabic family that founded the civ) and of course their main language was Arabic as I said before. anyway it looks like they are going with this nonsense.
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it was Al-Mutasim, son of the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid that began the shift away from Arab regulars to Turkish slave soldiers, thus beginning the disintegration of the caliphate and the era of independent sultanates. the Abbasids began utilizing Turkish troops as a replacement for Arabs nearly 400 years before the Egyptian mamluks.
the shift away from Arab regulars was in part due to discontent from the Arabs of the Abbasids favoring Persian customs and culture, and the Turkish slave soldiers were seen as more loyal and not invested in this cultural struggle. instead these slave soldiers attempted to take control of the caliphate and wrecked havoc, so by the time of the first crusades they where no more than powerless figureheads imprisoned in their own capital by their âvassalsâ.
Yes, They depends heavily on them, but it is impossible for them to replace the Arabs soldiers who make the majority, and Mamluks actually couldnât take control over the Arabs before the Mongols invasion which is the weakest part of the equation you came with, how the golden age is when the Mamluks take over the Abbasids and after the kingdom was actually destroyedŘ more specifically the golden age was between (775â861) you can check Wikipedia for that and also you can check Wikipedia to see that the only official language was Arabic, even if they had thousands Turkish mercenaries.
They should simply, remove Mamluks from Abbasids , because they could make their own Turkish civ, and make Abbasids Arabic civ as it should be, maybe be with some turkish mercenaries units.
I explained everything to this guys last night (Iâm an Iranian), referring to our history books, Persian made its way to the court but never was the official language of Abbasids caliphates, it was central Arabic and and even referring to Khalifas themselves they were all Arabic speaking Khalifas so, if they are Abbasids I donât want to hear Persian lines in it, might be a little bit correct but no, itâs more against what is true so Iâd rather they stick to persian.
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The Abbasids are basically Persians with a lot of Turkic mercenaries.
Having the Abbasid Dynasty speak Persian at any stage in the game would be very incorrect and ignorant, and if this is indeed the case, I seriously hope the developers reconsider this decision before the game is launched. This will be offensive to both Persian and Arab people.
I usually only read the forums and rarely write here. Iâm a native Persian speaker, and this is a topic that I couldnât stand staying silent about.
Release date is awfully close and it makes me even more worried.
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Actually you are the third Iranian who explained that, but it looks like he doesnât want to understand.
The only thing I could say to you with all the wrong things you said, go learn history.
Abbasids was never a Persian Civ, it is 100% Arabic civ stop spreading wrong history.
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Totally Agree, we shouldnât keep silence this should be fixed before going live, as you said it is not acceptable for both Arabs and Iranians.
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Yes,but it is jot logical to switch language from Arabic to Persian then Turkish after aging, like the main empire doesnât speak its main language any more ,we just want an explanation and then will judge ,if they just add some random units who speak Persian and Turkish it will be fine, but it should be an Arabic civ thorough all ages
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maybe this mismatch come from the fact than they mixed Abbasids Caliphate with Mamluk Sultanate (from official description). Which is completly odd, because how different these two empires were.
Abbasids are known for their science, the House of Wisdom, Bagdad, and in warfare they prefered to pay a bunch of mercenaries, or their professional army was rather classic and similar to the organization of byzantine army.
When Mamluk Sultanate is the sultanate founded by turkic slave-soldiers, which became the âknights of islamâ, were known for their succeful battles which removed crusaders states, for being talented cavalry. And their decline against the Ottomans, because their disdain of gunpowder innovationâŚ
I donât know why they mixed them. Btw, both of them never really used camels that much lol
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Totally agree with you further more as I said before, the golden age was before bagdad being destroyed by Mongols, now imagine this nonsense if the golden age was when the Mamluks take control and the real were actually Abbasids destroyed, about Camels Abbasids used them but maybe not that alot in direct compact, but they were famous for their mobile hospitals which were moved by camels, and actually this will be very interesting unique unit.
Abbasids will speak Farsi, not Arabic.
The capital was in Baghdad, and they were the most persianized Caliphate, to the point in which the court language was persian.
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Totally wrong and Also Abbasids is the name of the Arabic family who established the civ, please do a little research before commenting something totally wrong.
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