The Japanese army is insanely strong; it’s impossible to win, even with a larger army. The game is going to die because it kills you for competitive play. It’s full of users who leveled up only by playing Japanese games, and they’re truly terrible at it. Above all, it’s the army itself. The best example is the samurai. How can you have heavy samurai in the classic game? You developers are crazy.
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They just nerfed Samurai in the last patch. They just also nerfed Norse a little too hard.
Judging by your profile picture, I know what your problem is.
Boit beat Japan by the Thor. I just watched it today.
They can also be champions.
And seriously, throwing axemen are still countering them.
boit know japan is broken. but seriusly this game lose every day more players . competitive players
It was a nerf to all those types of units. So it’s the same. Samurai really broken and Tangu on Tsukuyomi… did you see that???
Norse got hit pretty hard. Eco went from 95% that of greeks to 90%. That’s a ridiculous nerf across the board for all norse gods.
I generally play random. If I roll loki now i just surrender at start.
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Loki lost all his advantages with the nerfs they gave him.
Do you mean on release?
Since it was released, they gave it nerf after nerf. the most punished god
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I opened a similar topic on this forum, but they laughed at me and shoved Odin’s win rate in my face. The only thing they agreed with me on was that Loki’s Spy ability was crap.
Odin was fine until the nerf they gave him in the last patch. What worries me most is how overpowered the Japanese units are. As for Loki’s spy power, it’s incredible that it’s 60 favour make the second spy power if you want.
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The northerners simply don’t have any good anti-infantry units. They only have throwing axemen, which the Samurai kill with one blow. And their economy has been nerfed.
Yes, and? Just because other units also got nerfed doesn’t mean the Samurai didn’t.
Also they got their XP generation nerfed too which slows down the speed at which Japanese get their bonuses.
Just that Norse got nerfed harder and they don’t have a human unit that deals pierce damage so the Samurai nerf was less impactfull. But when fighting Samurai you always have to remember that they are twice as expensive and cost twice the population of a Norse Infantry, so you shouldn’t expect an army with the same number of units to win, you need twice as many.
Loki got really unlucky with this patch, at least Thor got a new bonus to make up for the Norse nerfs.
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Most punishes norse god perhaps. Ra is the most punished
One thing is true — the Japanese army is really strong. I don’t know how they’re going to nerf it in a balanced way; it’s going to be difficult. In the last 1v1 match I played (Elo 1600), analyzing the post-battle statistics, I saw that when he won the final battle, I (Zeus) had an army that was 30% more expensive — meaning I had spent 30% more resources on my army. I microed all my units to the counters: toxotes against samurai, hoplites against cavalry, and heroes against the tanuki… Even so, he won without using any god powers and practically without microing his troops. At least Amaterasu is absurdly strong.
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Not only Loki is weakened but also Odin. But it’s not just the samurai, the XP points are still very op. The mythical tengu. The cavalry riders have a multiplier vs. archers but also vs. cavalry. The favor they generate is too much. Honestly, it’s not just a matter of the samurai being strong. And I’m telling you. You don’t win with double the army because he will always have more improvements than you being Nordic. The stats say so. Many 1300 players are around 1550 to 1600, they are bad at playing and they win anyway. I am around 1500 to 1600 and I lose games that were previously unthinkable vs. those rivals who abuse Japan. And I assure you that they will not be able to balance it when they release another patch. These are much more unbalanced than when the Chinese came out.
Odin was kinda the main target, loki got hit as a side effect.
It is mostly the whole bushido system. Samurai wouldnt be so much of an issue if they werent consistently ahead of you in upgrades as free value. Amaterasu is still very strong with their passive exp. The other 2 are not bad by any means, simply not busted.
Tusuyomis exp is bugged, if he gets the upgrades for free they dont count towards the bushido system. Susano has early game issues, his abuse with kusanagi on vills got adressed, he is still vulnerable to early preassure.
I mean so do cammels and tiger calv, the issue is more that its avaialable on classic age.
Unless thor but yea.
Now, lets not jump the gun that far. At least with japan you have to make units and do sth. China on release had dumb things like Nuwas tower rush ending games < 5 mins, fei beast erasing 20 villagers or a whole army in a couple seconds. Tsunami hitting your army, your forward base and your back base. The dragon being able to be healed. Fuxi heroes being so broken one of them was nicknamed john wick
Japan is strong, amaterasu is insane but lets not kid ourselves, china on release is still undefeated. Im willing to bet that if someone makes a mod where you can play japan and china as were realeased japan would stand no chance.
A samurai has the same population cost as a scarab. You’ve seen many scarabs on the battlefield at once. Japan doesn’t have an army. It can’t fight in two or three places at once. This weakness must be exploited. In AoE 3, Malta has all its units stronger, but they cost double the population. Malta is considered one of the weakest civilizations precisely because it can only fight properly in one place.
I understand what you’re saying. But the population here is much larger. Didn’t you see several samurai together in the classic? Are you kidding me? Anyway, it’s not just the samurai, it’s everyone, my friend.
I’m not denying that Japanese need more adjustments but Odin seems to be pretty well balanced now.
It’s just Loki being in a really bad state.