- Release DLC as it is next month
- Postpone and rework the DLC
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Need a good poll, maybe the developers can act on this.
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I think the Khitans need a rework.
I actually think a chronicles 3 Kingdoms should release first.
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Wow, pretty overwhelming results. The devs need to really listen.
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At least postpone to
- make campaigns for Chinese, Khitans and Jurchens
- Move 3k to chronicles
- Add Chinese campaigns which Tanguts, Tibetians and Gokturks are enemies/allies
Eventually, release Tanguts, Tibetians and Gokturks as civs later if those campaigns are popular.
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This is an small place, until we get the sales and reviews of the DLC we wont know for sure what happens
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The negative reception is everywhere.
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I think you can even go a Chinese and Tibet campaign that intersects.
Guo Ziya campaign for the Chinese, and Lukhong for the Tibetans. In one battle, the former defeated the latter, but the Tibetan did sack Chang’an and defeated the Uyghurs years later,
Nurhaci would be my Jurchen pick for a campaign.
At least take out the heroes from the multiplayer
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Rise of Jin in XII century for Jurchen is better than Nurhaci.
Nurhaci is in AOE 3 timeframe
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Jurchen should be released as scheduled, I think everyone agree they are fine. Even if they don’t have a campaign, they can still be played in normal game.
3K civs, depends on the direction they choose. Simple solution e.g. rebranding/renaming the civs should not take that much time.
But moving to chronicles, think about the campaign menu, artwork, unit and building reskin, story intro & outro animation, that might end up takes a half of year, and they might need to handle the refund as well since people paid and expected it in normal game.
EDIT: SH*T WAS in CHRONICLES FOLDER, it designed in chronicles style, file is in chronicles. Someone decided it should be in main then here we are.
Khitan, I have no idea how it will be, maybe release it with Jurchen with a promise of future civ split.
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I think the fall of the Ming should be the cutoff in the East.
I’d buy the DLC if they just remove the 3 kindgoms from multiplayer. I didn’t like it when they did it for Romans. I don’t like it now with the 3 kingdoms.
And if they rename the Khitans to Tanguts it would be nice too.
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Post poning night be fine with the non-purchases but it won’t make the pre-purchasers happy. Expect their riot next.
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Postponing a game/DLC is never easy and has a lot of costs associated with it.
I think despite the controversy that this DLC has the potential to be pretty successful.
It is the biggest DLC they made since The Forgotten and that was basically just repackaging a mod.
Pretty comparable to The Conquerors, though that added generic units and unique technologies while this one only adds major changes to 3 existing civs.
I talked with a friend from Hongkong who plays AoE2 and she was surprised that people reacted so negatively. She doesn’t follow the forum, reddit or social media of AoE at all. She just plays it as one of the many games in her library.
The whole timeline thing didn’t matter to her at all, she never really thought of it as a “medieval game” in general. I think the whole “medieval” thing is a very Western perspective in general.
People here or on Reddit see the 3 Kingdoms as not getting the Bai, Tibetans and real Tanguts while the majority of casual players don’t really think to much about the missed opportunities. How many people out there even know the Bai or Tanguts at all?
Even me as a historically interested person who is also interested in East Asian history didn’t know about the Bai and Tanguts. Yeah I read their names before but that’s pretty much it.
Tibetians obviously have a lot better name recognition and people have some idea what to expect from them. Mountains and Monks.
I also briefly talked about the DLC with some German friends and they also didn’t really seem to care more. Yeah 200 AD is medieval enough was their opinion.
Of course that is not a representative view on the player base but neither is this forum.
Most people here have an idea what they want and then get upset when something else is being added.
DLC are also always marketed towards people that aren’t in the community yet. They are always try to get in new people too.
This DLC is a gamble for them. Maybe they can attract more new players then losing old players. Maybe not.
I’m pretty sure they did not expect that much of a negative reaction from the community though. Which is kinda surprising tbh. it was to be expected.
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The thing is that the timeline isn’t the main issue that people are confused with. It’s the change on what is a civ in the game, and then, its identity.
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And raise the price to 30 USD??? 11
Any change has a cost. Honestly, I would even be fine with paying more for 2 separate DLCs. But probably if they did everything together, it’s because the previous Chronicles didn’t sell as well? It seems really strange to me.
There’s a correlation between number of reviews on Steam and number of copies sold.
- Lords of the West → 729 reviews
- Dawn of the Dukes → 627 reviews
- Dynasties of India → 376 reviews
- Return of Rome → 1K reviews
- The Mountain Royals → 373 reviews
- Victors and Vanquished → 1K reviews
- Chronicles: Battle for Greece → 877 reviews
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People are more likely to write a review about a controversial DLC then they are about DLC that was overall just positively received.
Chronicles generated very little debate. People just saw it as something they can ignore if they just want medieval content.
A small number of people got a little mad because they thought this DLC would mean less medieval content for them but that was a pretty minor thing compared to all the V&V drama.
I’m pretty sure that V&V sold lest then most if not all other DLC despite having the most reviews.
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Probably better to release the Three Kingdoms civs and campaigns as a Chronicles style DLC instead of putting it in the main game.
I think reviews and sales are correlated, except for V&V. That would explain the current situation: traditional DLC sold less and less.
But this being focused on east Asia, it could have been different…