cav archers aren’t made for other reasons. nothing to do with what bonuses affect them and which don’t.
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Tatars and Hun Cavalry Archers are used.
I want to see Magyar Cavalry Archers at least in the late Castle Age
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Not without a beefy bonus, you won’t.
Magyars do not even need them, anyways, since they have discount Hussars, Trash UUs, and free attack upgrades for Knights that can become Paladins in Imp.
tatars and huns get huge bonuses to their cav archers that make them usable.
then ask to add a civ bonus that affects them. doubt it happens though, seeing as magyars are a prety solid civ as is.
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i agree , i love Iroquois in AOE 3!
Magyars need Cavalry Archers. EVERYONE uses Magyar Cavalry Archers alongside with Magyar Huszárs or Hussars in the Imperial Age OVER Paladin and Arbalest
and they use them. in the imp age. you don’t need them in the castle age. the only ones who use them in the castle age are tatars and huns, who get massive bonuses to them.
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Not in the Castle Age.
Mongols would use them, if there was no Mangudai, but with Mangudai…
And why do we see MORE Knights than Mongol Cavalry Archers? (in AoC too)
Because you have Mangudai, and Knights pair well with those. No need to spend Wood on Cav Archers, if you will just mass Mangudai later.
In Imp, however, they completely transition out of Knights, and go full Hussar-Mangudai.
because cav archers in low numbers aren’t really all that good in defense, meanwhile knights definitely are.
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JonOli said that:
And there is no Mangudai if you don’t have any Castles in the Castle Age, but people use Knights over Cavalry Archers
I was speaking about Knights, we never see Knights+Mangudais in the Castle Age (expect left-over Knights)
but mongols pretty much always rush a castle. and if you’re going to only get a few of them out, what good are they at holding until you get the castle down?
ever seen what happens when you only have 4-5 cav archers trying to hold against 4-5 knights?
it ain’t pretty.
thats because you use knights for the early castle age defense (or knight rush) and then transition to mangudai
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But Cavalry Archers -> Mangudai is much easier
and JonOli12 said that if Mangudai DIDNT exist Mongols would use them. There are plenty of matches (Hidden Cup3) WHEN the Mongol player used Knights in the whole Castle Age instead of rushing Mangudais.
Where are the viable (according to JoinOli12) Mongol Cavalry Archers in the Castle Age?
Not at all, since they use the same resources. It is a waste to make baseline CAs as Mongols, unless you really need to.
What? Cavalry Archers are much cheaper than Knights. Food is more important than wood.
Not if you are rushing a Castle to get your actual Wood dump unit.
but knights is much safer and more potent.
depends, and frankly knights are the safer option. a few knights can clean up any remaining feudal units on the map. a few cav archers cannot.
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But JonOli12 said Mongol Cav Archers would be viable if the civ didn’t have Mangudais. In the Castle there are plenty of situation when the Mongol player DOESNT rush the Castle (basically no Mangudais) but we never see Mongol Cav Archers.
I know that Knights are much better than DE CA.
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but knights are safer then cav archers, and easier to mass up, and require less upgrades to have a serious impact.
source?