I bet that the Elephant Scout will be introduced (similar to the Gurjaras Camel Scout). This is a good explanation for why the last update increased Battle and War Elephants’ Line of Sight.
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By Jove I think he’s on to something!
I doubt it. I think that was just to make them better able to avoid monks.
An elephant scout WOULD be hilarious, but I sincerely doubt it would ever be a thing.
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Guess:
- Apply Central Asian buildings.
- Remove Mahouts. Its effect may become a part of the elite upgrade.
- Double TC HP will not be completely removed, but will be adjusted, e.g. actived from Castle Age.
- War Elephant have a mahout on its back. If it is going to reflect how elephants were used historically, It will become a ranged unit like EA, or become a Ratha-like elephant UU having the melee and ranged mode.
- Savaran (this guy) is the heavy cavalry UU in Stable. Maybe it’s a unique upgrade that replaces the Cavalier or Paladin, or even lets it and its elite version replace the entire line directly.
- Just in case WE is removed, Savaran will be in Castle, and the Knight line will not be affected, at most Paladin will be lost.
- A new UT for heavy cavalry (or cavalry units or all melee units as well) to replace Mahouts, like Immortals. However, if the effect is something simple like regeneration, or stats improvement, maybe just put the effect into Savaran and leave the UT slot for other effects.
- This civ should continue to focus on economy and heavy cavalry, so I don’t think they will get Imperial CA or an unique CA. But more useful CA will make sense. Maybe a new civ bonus.
- Potential Monk buff to reflect Zoroastrianism or Islam, if CA doesn’t get the the improvements above.
- Sogdian Cataphract should be the UU of the Sogdian civ. As long as the Sogdians can get their own civ, Steppe Lancer should belong to Sogdians rather than Persians.
- No Battle Elephant in Stable.
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I doubt they will edit the iconic look of any of the original aok units.
What if the Savaran (or how ever it will be called) becomes a new unit line next to the Knight lime with a different focus.
Giving Persians an even more flexible Stable.
Any idea when the Persians will see this change?
Exactly my thought. Let’s hope we will get Sogdians in the future. Can it be a regional unit for Persians and Sogdians, replacing knight line?
I’m hoping next balance patch. So maybe August or September.
Hahaha. It is a humble wish of mine.
It just needs to add a man on the original image of the elephant. If it has any chance of being a ranged unit, this man is a must.
Which unit are you talking about replacing the knight? Sogdian Cataphract, or Steppe Lancer?
Very difficult.
That means you have to give Savaran special gimmicks, and not have Savaran and Knight, Hussar and Camel competing for each other’s jobs.
The last time to fail at this point was Steppe Lancer. After several updates, they finally found the answer by focusing on Castle Age raids.
After that, the Shrivamsha Rider effectively sidestepped this problem by the situation equivelent to replacing the Knight. This can be a hint for Savaran.
Also, the way of unique upgrade is obviously the one of solution that developers will give priority to in the future. Imperial Camel, Winged Hussar, Houfnice, Legionary, and maybe Savaran is the next one.
That’s the problem almost all cavalry UUs are facing.
But I think it’s worth considering, especially since they don’t have Steppe Lancers.
SL already exists with knight. I meant Sogdian Cataphract or Savaran. Obviously I’m assuming Sogdians will be added in the future.
Cavalry UUs in Stables will face more competition than other cavalry UUs in Castles, since they are even acquired in the same way as regular cavalry units.
I personally think, making Savaran an upgrade of Cavalier to replace Paladin, or making Savaran and Elite Savaran upgrades of Knight replacing Cavalier and Paladin, or even making Savaran and Elite Savaran a direct replacement for Knight line, is simple, elegant and in line with the current ways the devs tend to. You know, less balancing trouble.
I like Sogdians. I’d let Sogdian Cataphract serve the Sogdians only.
I think Savaran should be the heavy cavalry replacing Knight in Persians’ Stable, so the Persians would not have Sogdian Cataphract as the another heavy cavalry.
Also, It’s named “Sogdian” Cataphract, so it would be a bit weird that it is available for civs other than Sogdians if Sogdians are a civ.
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I wish they release graphical mods that fixes such stuff in events rather than useless minecraft piglets.
- Rider on War Elephant
- Mameluke with Dromedary Camel
- Regular Hussar without Wings
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Persians used to be the original elephant civ, but since doi they are loosing that.
I think dev want to put them again in the elephant game.
And I wouldn’t be surprise if they add a new special unit ; the bombard canon elephant.
I would see it as a kind of ratha but very expensive and more explosive.
I have some new Persians design based on mostly their old design. I have tried to add something new and interesting based on your ideas.
Civilization Bonus
- Each Town Center provides +50 Food, +50 Wood.
- Town Centers and Docks have +25%/+50%/+75%/+100% HP in Dark/Feudal/Castle/Imperial Age.
- Town Centers train Villagers and research technologies (excluding Age advancing) 5%/10%/15%/20% faster in Dark/Feudal/Castle/Imperial Age.
- Parthian Tactics is available in Castle Age and doesn’t cost gold.
Unique Units
War Elephant (Castle), Savar (Stable)
War Elephant Speed increased 0.60 → 0.70
Savar
Cost : 65 Food, 70 Gold
Training Time : 28 Seconds
HP : 105 (150)
Attack : 10 (12) Attack Bonus : +2 vs Archer
Rate of Fire : 1.90
Melee Armor : 2
Pierce Armor : 2 (3)
Armor Class : Cavalry, Unique Unit
Speed : 1.35
LOS : 4
Upgrade Cost : 1200 Food, 800 gold
Upgrade Time : 150 Seconds
Unique Technologies
- Kamandaran
- Immortal - Cavalry Archer and Savaran +3 attack. Cost : 800 food, 700 gold Research Time : 45 seconds
Team Bonus
Docks work 5% faster.
Technology Tree
Gets Standard Steppe Lancer (No elite).
Knight line is removed.
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Nice try. Here my feedback.
I’d like +0%/+0%/+100%/+100% HP.
Even only +25% can give the TC rush an unstopable advantage.
+0% will make it fair, and activating from Castle Age can still help them survive longer under the bombard of Mangonels.
Maybe it should cost 70 food and 65 gold than Knights, and have 110 (150) HP and 10 (13) attack.
In the Castle Age, they will be a bit stronger than Knights but the higher food cost limit their spawning.
In the Imperial Age, they will be a bit weaker than Paladins but the lower gold cost make their spawning easier.
Giving CA +3 attack will make them useful in every period. I’d like to let CA have their power peak just in the Castle Age, like the Parthian Tactics bonus. And +3 attack to the Savaran only will be … boring maybe. Since they are UU, simple stats improvents can be a part of the elite upgrade. Immortals deserve something special, like Stable (and even Barrack) units return 20% of cost when killed.
I’d even not give Persians Steppe Lancer, if there will be the Sogdian civ.
If they wanna play a aggresive early Castle Age, use CA with Parthian Tactics.
- Change to Central Asian architecture
- Addition of a civ bonus, maybe rework of some older ones (like TC HP level applying later, would kill Persian Douche though)
- Application of Mahout directly to WE, change with another UT
- Maybe Replacement of Knight Line with Savaran and upgrades
- Maybe announcement of a Persian campaign with some other new civs (Middle Eastern/Caucasian/Central Asian most likely)
I don’t see them removing/completely altering War Elephants. They’re about as iconic as the Teutonic Knight and the Mangudai.
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I don’t see them changing or replacing the War Elephant, it’s too iconic.
It would be nice if the revamp included a new Persian campaign.
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Persian Douchers will be very upset if the strategy is totally removed.
Can’t give 13 attack and such low gold cost due to my Imperial Age UT.
You still lack 1 range.
Thing is we can never know whether it will be added or not.
These 2 are must.
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Too bad, so sad.
They can try to cheese wins elsewhere.