[Poll] Where Should the Next DLC Focus?

[RiverMan]

@DukeOfLorraine

If it’s just “yet another Japanese civil war” this means the campaign would suffer the same issue that limits the Incan campaign : having only one civ on the map. Which would be limiting gameplay-wise.

This would be quite down the list, for example keep in mind we don’t even have a proper Byzantine campaign, a fictional family ruling a remote outpost of the empire hurrah, meanwhile where are Justinian & Belisarius, Heraclius or Basil II ?

On this I agree with you, I have the same problem with Polynesian cultures for example (as I commented further above).

@DukeOfLorraine

And the Kamikaze would be very tricky to get right, making the gameplay both good and feel right.

We need the Kamikaze scenario, lol

[Apocalypso4826]

@RiverMan

I admit that this is the first time I’ve heard of them, how many of these things do we know?

All of the ones I mentioned except for the last one are well-documented, though with scant specific details. The last one might be more mythical and legendary than historical; it’s not really clear.

[RiverMan]

@Apocalypso4826

All of the ones I mentioned except for the last one are well-documented, though with scant specific details. The last one might be more mythical and legendary than historical; it’s not really clear.

Cool.
I can imagine a scenario of moving between the islands and building a culture in the area.

[TommoChocolate]

I voted East Asia – where’s the campaign-focussed DLC with Chinese, Japanese and Korean campaigns that I was promised by speculating fans with no inside information?!

@DukeOfLorraine

Jurchens (Manchus) + Tibetans + Chinese campaign, maybe add the Hwacha/Nest of Bees/Multiple Rocket Launcher to the Chinese Jurchens Koreans & Mongols as a regional unit to spice up the region, possibly as a replacement for the mangonel line. Steppes architecture style for Jurchens Mongols Huns & Cumans. So overall East Asia

Or this, this sounds nice. I get the impression the devs dislike East Asia though…

@DukeOfLorraine

If it’s just “yet another Japanese civil war” this means the campaign would suffer the same issue that limits the Incan campaign : having only one civ on the map.

With some campaign-only units for the AI players I don’t think this is such a problem – many bonuses are irrelevant in campaign scenarios, especially early-game ones.

Plus a campaign earlier in the timeline could also include Emishi, and one later in the timeline could include Portuguese and Dutch. (Although I’m not suggesting adding Emishi or Dutch as new civs – use Mongols and Teutons/Burgundians or something.)

[thieftdp8498]

@Apocalypso4826

I think an Oceania expansion would be neat. Since it would be focused on ships, maybe it could coincide with some major changes to the Dock.

you say that but im the only one have a vote in it wtf wheres your vote?

[Apocalypso4826]

@thieftdp8498

you say that but im the only one have a vote in it wtf wheres your vote?

I voted for it earlier. Either I forgot to finalize it, or it somehow disappeared. Either way, I fixed it.

[thieftdp8498]

so what civs is in oceania? thats near malay area yes? or australia/newzealand?

also @RiverMan how come theres no central africa? are there no civs in that region during aoe2 time frame?

[Apocalypso4826]

@thieftdp8498

so what civs is in oceania? thats near malay area yes? or australia/newzealand?

That would be civs like the Polynesians, Micronesians, Melanesians, etc.

[KarstHillFort77]

I voted for SE Asia and East Africa, I’d like to see the Somalis, the Swahilis, the Siamese, the Chams, and the Javanese in the game.

But only 2 choices are not enough, I’d also like to see more civs in East Asia, West Africa, Mesoamerica, and South America.

[UnAutreVoyage]

I would love an east Asia DLC, with Chinese (Ming?) and Korean campaigns.
I also voted for north African DLC. Why not something around the Arabs conquest, or around the Fatimids, Almohades or Almoravides…

[DukeOfLorraine]

@UnAutreVoyage

Why not something around the Arabs conquest, or around the Fatimids, Almohades or Almoravides…

The Saracens definitely need a second campaign yes. The 7th century conquests are such a wrecking ball that it’s on the top of my list for that civ.

[RiverMan]

@DukeOfLorraine

The Saracens definitely need a second campaign yes. The 7th century conquests are such a wrecking ball that it’s on the top of my list for that civ.

Yeah, we need Saracen campaigns and I would like to see another Persian campaigns as well.

[Temudhun]

@thieftdp8498

also @RiverMan how come theres no central africa? are there no civs in that region during aoe2 time frame?

It seems West, Central and South Africa are grouped together into Sub-Saharan Africa.

@DukeOfLorraine

The Saracens definitely need a second campaign yes. The 7th century conquests are such a wrecking ball that it’s on the top of my list for that civ.

Tbh we could even get a Saracen split. And yeah, I would love a Khalid ibn al-Walid or Umar campaign depicting the conquest of Sassanian Persia and Byzantine Levant and Egypt.

[MatM1996]

@RiverMan

I admit that this is the first time I’ve heard of them, how many of these things do we know?

@Apocalypso4826

All of the ones I mentioned except for the last one are well-documented, though with scant specific details. The last one might be more mythical and legendary than historical; it’s not really clear.

Yes, it happens that there is no written information about them, more oral legends from the 11th century onwards…Tonga can enter both AoE 2 and AoE 3…

Tuʻi Tonga Empire

@DukeOfLorraine

Jurchens (Manchus) + Tibetans + Chinese campaign, maybe add the Hwacha/Nest of Bees/Multiple Rocket Launcher to the Chinese Jurchens Koreans & Mongols as a regional unit to spice up the region, possibly as a replacement for the mangonel line. Steppes architecture style for Jurchens Mongols Huns & Cumans. So overall East Asia

@RiverMan

Yeah… I think Chinese campaign would be great, also Korean and Japanese.
And in general there are not enough African or American campaigns either for my opinion, or Middle Eatern…

@TommoChocolate

I voted East Asia – where’s the campaign-focussed DLC with Chinese, Japanese and Korean campaigns that I was promised by speculating fans with no inside information?!

@UnAutreVoyage

I would love an east Asia DLC, with Chinese (Ming?) and Korean campaigns.

Yes, I agree, we are missing a specific Far Eastern DLC…

@DukeOfLorraine

I don’t think there is room for a Japanese campaign. The main wars are already covered in battles (the Gempei War for Kurikara, the other 3 during the Sengoku period, while the Korean Noryang battle covers the Imjin War) while I don’t think Kublai’s invasion attempt would play nicely as the typhoon did 90% of the work to stop them. A Hideyoshi campagin (starting when serving under Nobunaga and ending with his clan’s defeat at Sekigahara after his death) may work best, notably as it includes the attempted invasion of Korea, but it’s ground already treaded in battles…

@RiverMan

Japan has tons of untold history, periods like Kamakura and Muromachi, centuries of tribal rivalry and even the failed Mongol invasions (“Kamikaze” - can also tell from the Mongolian side).

Yes, I would have preferred a campaign by N0bun4g4, but one by Hideyoshi is also valid… from before Kyoto to the Japanese invasions of Korea (although the latter already appear in the mobile version of AoE 3 TAD, as a prequel to the Japanese campaign of the PC version)…the other thing you have left is to touch on topics such as the Heian Period (794-1185) after the Yamato campaign of AoE 1, the Mongol invasions of 1274-1281, the Kenmu restoration of 1333, which led to the fall of the Kamakura shogunate that year and the rise of the Ashikaga shogunate in 1336 or lastly, the Onin War (1467-1477) (which is mentioned in AoE 3) that gave rise to the Sengoku period (1467-1615)…

@DukeOfLorraine

Korea, I don’t now much about their history, maybe some interesting character at the time of the country’s unification, possibly while also having to face steppe nomads to spice it up a little bit ?

You have Kaesong (936) and it was an official scenario before being cut, then Taejo of Joseon, the first emperor of the Joseon dynasty (1392-1910) (who was a contemporary of Hongwu of the Ming dynasty, years after Lake Poyang), his grandson Sejong the Great (1419-1450) who had to face the Wokou and Jurchen invasions, then several literary purges between 1498 and 1545 (in which Yi-Sun-shin’s grandfather and father participated), a great rebellion in 1589 that weakened Korea and that left the doors open for the Imjin Wars (1592-1598) (you can do a Korean campaign of the Imjin Wars with Yi-Sun-shin but they already did that in Empires:Dawn of the Modern World, plus you already have Noryang Point for that and it would be a bit repetitive)…

@DukeOfLorraine

If it’s just “yet another Japanese civil war” this means the campaign would suffer the same issue that limits the Incan campaign : having only one civ on the map. Which would be limiting gameplay-wise. And the Kamikaze would be very tricky to get right, making the gameplay both good and feel right.

This would be quite down the list, for example keep in mind we don’t even have a proper Byzantine campaign, a fictional family ruling a remote outpost of the empire hurrah, meanwhile where are Justinian & Belisarius, Heraclius or Basil II ?

Yes, Bari never convinced me too much…I want a well-done Byzantine campaign with Justinian/Belisarius, Heraclius or Basil II…

@RiverMan

I can imagine a scenario of moving between the islands and building a culture in the area.

It would be like Gajamada’s campaign…

@TommoChocolate

Plus a campaign earlier in the timeline could also include Emishi, and one later in the timeline could include Portuguese and Dutch. (Although I’m not suggesting adding Emishi or Dutch as new civs – use Mongols and Teutons/Burgundians or something.)

Yes, it would be good… either of them are interesting…

@UnAutreVoyage

I also voted for north African DLC. Why not something around the Arabs conquest, or around the Fatimids, Almohades or Almoravides…

@DukeOfLorraine

The Saracens definitely need a second campaign yes. The 7th century conquests are such a wrecking ball that it’s on the top of my list for that civ.

@RiverMan

Yeah, we need Saracen campaigns and I would like to see another Persian campaigns as well.

@Temudhun

Tbh we could even get a Saracen split. And yeah, I would love a Khalid ibn al-Walid or Umar campaign depicting the conquest of Sassanian Persia and Byzantine Levant and Egypt.

Yes, the game was very full of campaigns and scenarios in all centuries (especially VaV filled the gaps between the 8th and 11th centuries) (Carolingian and Viking eras), but the 6th and 7th centuries have not been touched since The Forgotten.. At some point they would have to touch them, right?..

[RiverMan]

@MatM1996

@Apocalypso4826

The Tu’i Tonga Empire, the Tu’i Manu’a Empire, the Yapese Empire, the Saudeleur Dynasty, the Tu’i Pulotu Empire…

@RiverMan

I admit that this is the first time I’ve heard of them, how many of these things do we know?

@Apocalypso4826

All of the ones I mentioned except for the last one are well-documented, though with scant specific details. The last one might be more mythical and legendary than historical; it’s not really clear.

Yes, it happens that there is no written information about them, more oral legends from the 11th century onwards…Tonga can enter both AoE 2 and AoE 3…

Tuʻi Tonga Empire - Wikipedia

I must say that after checking the things, entering the links and self-searching on Google - there is not enough information about the empire or the Polynesian story, neither about the unique technologies nor about the architecture. You can hardly find pictures of buildings from that period.

So yeah, I still doubt you can base a campaign on it.

I often hear people make suggestions about all kinds of cultures that have disappeared in history and that’s nice and all, but you have to be realistic.
This is while we still haven’t gotten enough campaigns on the familiar history like China, Japan, Korea, Nomads, Russia, Persia, Arabia, Africa, North America…

[Apocalypso4826]

Why did you put Oceania in the poll without checking to see if it’s viable?

I think it’s viable, but if you weren’t sure about it, you shouldn’t have put it in the poll.

[RiverMan]

People suggested adding it and I didn’t delve into it enough at first.
It sounded and still sounds like a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s practical.

[Apocalypso4826]

I think if you base Oceania campaigns on oral tales and legends, there should be enough material. Yodit is already basically like that, so there’s some precedent.

[RiverMan]

Like I said, it’s a nice idea - but the game is mostly realistic and not legendary.

What will the market look like? What will the castle or wonder look like?
There is no actual history told from the area, not even pictures of any boats or houses.

The little information that has been found contains drawings, some of which are speculative.
There is no tech tree and no transition between eras - these cultures all come from the Stone Age.

[Apocalypso4826]

@RiverMan

What will the castle or wonder look like?

The Castle would be a very real type of Polynesian hill fort. For the Polynesians, the Wonder would be a moai statue from Easter Island.

@RiverMan

There is no actual history told from the area, not even pictures of any boats or houses.

This is an ignorant and horrendously inaccurate claim that betrays your surface-level research. There are many pictures online of types of Oceania ships and houses, and they weren’t primitive. Oceania has produced some of the finest ship types the world has ever seen. Examples include the catamaran, proa, and drua, among others.

@RiverMan

There is no tech tree and no transition between eras - these cultures all come from the Stone Age.

Perhaps in some ways, but their technology was quite advanced in many ways, most notably in shipbuilding, as mentioned, but also in construction techniques.