Such a perfect representation as the Slavs civ (when it was the only Slavic civ) and the Indians civ.
Whats so wrong with having dark age civs?
No. Not comparable at all and you should know it.
Teutons as a civ design isnt any more based on the Teutonic Order than in the HRE. And they are a HRE civ because the Teutonic Order isnt a civilization
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And considering I have never seen a German complain about it I think you are almost alone on this
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No they are not,just look at the leader names.
How would the angry villagers with pointy sticks be similar to the people who got beat by them? do they even speak the same language?
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Yeah totally man. This is 100% honest. Give me a break and take 20 seconds and look at rhe ai leader names
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To make things easier…
- Albert the Bear (c. 1100-1170): The first Margrave of Brandenburg (a domain of the Holy Roman Empire) from 1157-1170. Took part in crusades against the Slavic Wends, as well as the 1162 Storming of Milan. Called “the Bear” for his strength and restlessness.
- Conrad the Salian (c. 990-1039): Holy Roman Emperor from 1027-1039; first emperor of the Salian House; grandson of Otto the Great. Notable for repressing rebellious factions of the Empire.
- Emp. Leopold I (1640-1705): Holy Roman Emperor from 1658-1705. Famously summoned an imperial army to defeat the Turks at Vienna, however had less military success against the French. A patron of learning and the arts.
- Emp. Lothair (795-855): Holy Roman Emperor from 817-855. Son of the previous Holy Roman Emperor Louis the Pious, fought a civil war against his siblings which led to the breakup of Francia.
- Frederick Barbarossa (1122-1190): Holy Roman Emperor from 1152-1190. Established German dominance within the Holy Roman Empire; reasserted imperial rule in Italy. Known for his ambition, charisma, and political savvy, as well as his battlefield successes.
- Frederick II (1194-1250): Holy Roman Emperor from 1220-1250. Presided over the height of the Holy Roman Empire’s territorial expansion; also presided over the sixth crusade, which secured Jerusalem under the control of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Also known as Frederick Roger, he is the boy king that the narrator of the The Hautevilles campaign is speaking to.
- Henry III (1016-1056): Holy Roman Emperor from 1046-1056. Last of a succession of emperors who successfully dominated the Papacy. Son of Conrad the Salian.
- Henry the Lion (c. 1130-1195): Duke of Saxony from 1142-1180 and of Bavaria from 1156-1180. Used his political and military acumen to gain control of large swathes of the Holy Roman Emperor. Son of Lothair II.
- King Heinrich (876-936): Heinrich der Volger (or Henry the Fowler), Duke of Saxony from 912-936 and King of East Francia from 919-936. Defeated Magyars at the Battle of Riade, and successfully subdued various Slavic tribes. Father of Otto the Great.
- King Karl: Most likely depicts the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558), who served from 1519-1556; he also served as Charles I, ruler of the Spanish Empire, from 1516-1556. An heir to Hapsburg, Valois-Burgundy, and Trastámara families, his extensive territory included the Spanish Empire, the Low Countries, and much of Central Europe.
- King Rupert (1352-1410): Elected by German Princes to become King of Germany in 1400 after the deposition of King Wenceslas; served until his death. Attempted to travel to Rome to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor but was defeated by an Italian ally of Wenceslas.
- King Wenceslas (1361-1419): King of Bohemia from 1361 until his death; elected German King in 1373 but deposed in 1400. After refusing to recognize his dethronement in favor of King Rupert, he paid for military campaigns against Rupert and his allies, leading to years of war and instability.
- Lothair II (1075-1137): Holy Roman Emperor from 1133-1137. Won a civil war against the house of Hohenstaufen and its supporters. Grandfather of Henry the Lion.
- Maximilian II (1527-1576): Holy Roman Emperor from 1564-1576. Famous for relatively tolerant religious policy, leading to a brief period of peace in the region. Son of King Karl (Charles V).
- Maximilian of Hapsburg (1459-1519): Holy Roman Emperor from 1493-1519. Through marriages, military and political pressure, as well as success on the battlefield, added significant territory to Hapsburg holdings.
- Otto the Great (912-973): Holy Roman Empire from 962-973. Oversaw the consolidation of the Holy Roman Empire through use of the church and by the decisive defeat of the Magyars at the Battle of Lechfeld, ending their incursions into the empire’s realm. Son of King Heinrich (Henry the Fowler).
- Rudolph of Swabia (1025-1080): Duke of Swabia from 1057-1079. Elected German king in opposition to Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV; conflict between them culminated in the Great Saxon Revolt, in which Rudolph of Swabia was killed.
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Tell that to the Kipchaks. I don’t know why but sometimes they keep it that way.
Everything. Making them equally strong as civs with advanced technologies and warfare strategies is extremely awkward and gives the game a fantasy sort of vibe.
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The game isnt meant to be a totally accurate representation of history, we have Malians with a lot of gunpowder, Mamluk scimitar throwing camels, Spanish dont have crossbow, etc. etc.
The game is just meant to represent the diferent regional powers through the middle ages and its not just a late middle ages game.
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Exactly the game is not historically correct and there is no place where it specifies it. For this to be the case, there should be specific dlc of each historical time with their respective Civs.
A game where malians can fight aztecs
A game where Chinese don’t have block printing or gunpowder.
A game where mayans are an archer civ and meso civs have steel and xbows.
A game where vikings have one of the best economies.
And your argument is historical accuracy? Oh boy.
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No they aren’t. Balkans as all the civs it needs, I’d rather focus on Africa, India, Asia, and America than Europe. Way overrepresented as is. Notice the backlash they got from the releases of LotW and DotD
They aren’t more popular, you just think they are
And besides, a bunch of your civs are to split up umbrella civs when you say that India (The BIGGEST umbrella civ) only needs 4.
Yet you ask for more civs from Europe than we need right now.
We’ve already covered the most important European civs, now all we’re doing basically is breaking up umbrellas.
According to some people, European civs are more popular…
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Goths are a cache all for Germanic peoples in general. They have Huskarl which they actually never had anyway historically and that as a civ why they have access to gunpowder units when Goths were X.x by the time that rolled around.
But yes Saxons/ Anglo Saxons deserve unique civ since we have so much Norman related content. Not to mention Hastings is a scenario it seems silly to have only one side of the story.
France and Italy , Eastern Europe have been covered pretty well but I find the glaring fault of having no Saxon civ or more Germanic related civs. Be they “Ealdseaxe” - Old Saxon or Anglo-Saxon.
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Goths having gunpowder is more likely a reference to the fact that their nobility would eventually become the nobility of Spain, and since Spain used gunpowder…
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Also remember that Goths was used for represent the Slavs in the original game (Poland ,Russia)…
Like India , it could been split up , i advise to use the Vandals (Naval Civ) (for Africa) and Alans (for Caucasus) (Cav civ ).
For the Saxons : we could have Widukind but the problem is it would be redundant with the Goths
I feel the Goths were ment to represent all the Early Dark age / Late Roman empire period. By the scope of the game they really are out of their era.
Back in the day that was fine for them to represent Generic Barbarian civs with Teutons / Franks representing the late Germanic peoples branching off to lay foundations for Medieval France and Holy Roman Empire (( as Franks were originally a Germanic tribe that crossed Rhine and settled in Roman Gaul. ))
Saxons could be incorporated into a North Sea Peoples pack Saxons , Danes , Hibernians , Welsh if your wanting to completely represent all British Isles of the Viking time period of early middle ages.
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How are welsh north sea people ?
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your right they aren’t but also a early dark age civ during Viking period and later developed into a kingdom in own right , it would be something that could be considered seeing as how they resisted Norman and Viking expansion into Wales.
Welsh would be an ok option to diversify celts but how would they differ from the ingame english/britons would be the question.
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