The word Jinete (of Berber zenata ) designates, in Castilian and the Provençal dialect of Occitan language, those who show great skill and riding especially if this relates to their work. In Portuguese, it is spelled ginete . The term jennet for a small Spanish horse has the same source.
But when you go back to the page Javelin, you will see them described directly as arabic horsemen.
And if I remember correctly, Arabs use mounted javelimen during Battle of Poitiers. The same, where Franks used Throwing Axemen.
But im not expert in this.
The Berbers were the original invaders of Iberia, coming along with the Umayyad Arab army - that was in the 8th century. There was no time for long Arabisation, and in any case, Arabisation was much lighter in the western Maghreb than say Syria, Egypt or Mesopotamia. Berber light cavalry and raiding warfare was commonplace, featuring javelin wielding cavalry. Also same with the Almoravids and Almohads who were both Berber powers with strong indigenous traditions. Of which hit and run tactics with javelins was commonplace. The name may be abit off but the unit type is spot on.
If you’re talking about historical inaccuracy, this is far less egregious than something like the Imperial Camels for India for example.
Javelins are prehistoric, throwing spears were everywhere.
The word javelin comes from Middle English and it derives from Old Frenchjavelin , a diminutive of javelot , which meant spear. The word javelotprobably originated from one of the Celtic languages.
The Hispanic cavalry was a light cavalry armed with a Falcata and several light javelins. The Cantabri tribes invented a military tactic to maximize the advantages of the combination between horse and javelin. In this tactic the horsemen rode around in circles, toward and away from the enemy, continually hurling javelins. The tactic was usually employed against heavy infantry. The constant movement of the horsemen gave them an advantage against slow infantry and made them hard to target. The maneuver was designed to harass and taunt the enemy forces, disrupting close formations. This was commonly used against enemy infantry, especially the heavily armed and slow moving legions of the Romans. This tactic came to be known as the Cantabrian circle. In the late Republic various auxiliary cavalry completely replaced the Italian cavalry contingents and the Hispanic auxiliary cavalry was considered the best.
The part where it says that Jinetes were arabic, is blatantly wrong, however.
This is from Military Wiki isn’t it? The section you copied is talking about Iberians in classical antiquity, not the Middle Ages. The section that it’s in puts this alongside Rome and Gaul. In your copied text it references that the Hispanic cavalry were armed with Falcatas (a pre-Roman sword)
You already said we shouldn’t connect the Numidian cavalry to the Berbers because they weren’t in the Middle Ages, how is this different…
I am. I even accept that the Berbers have the Genitour in the game, even though it is not historically accurate.
The Berber army that invaded the peninsula under Tariq, was heavily arabicized, and used Horse Archers, rather than Horse Javalineers.
Only the Iberian natives continued the habit of fielding units of Horse Javalineers, called the Genitours, in the Middle Ages, in any significant number, at least in that part of the world.
@CelticKeeper took all those pictures from this article: https://www.rajputcommunity.in/t/camels-in-indian-warfare/25
It is clearly written in it that camel use by Rajputs(who lived in north west India) was limited to Rajasthan-Kutch only. That comprise of a very small part of India. Rest of India did not use it.
It doesn’t make sense to make a civilization and give it 3 direct bonuses for camels then call it Indians. No India is not a desert. Camels were not the conventional weapon used by Indians.
First, you selectively quoted what I said when I mentioned original invaders of Iberia without including the rest of the sentence - Very disingenuous of you.
“The Berbers were the original invaders of Iberia, coming along with the Umayyad Arab army - that was in the 8th century.”
The Berbers who invaded Iberia with Tariq Ibn Ziyad were not heavily Arabised yet. This was only few decades since the Umayyad Arab expansion. In fact, horse archery tactics were more Turkic/Persian introduction which came later into Arab armies once they expanded into Iran. Berbers were not using this at the time of the Battle of Guadalete (711 AD) and subsequent campaign.
I don’t oppose introducing Tibetan but some parts of your design is definitely wrong.
Shaolin is a part of Chinese Buddhism, different from Tibetan Buddhism far.
I remember I told you before. It seems you never care about learning more about east Asian history and culture.
Area/Architectural Style: East Asia or South Asia
Specialty: Monks
Team bonus:
Faith regenerate 33% faster
Civilization bonuses:
Start the game with 2 free yaks (150 food per yak), but with -50 food.
Monasteries and monks are available in the Feudal age.
Monasteries provide +5 population.
Cavalry have +3/+5/+7 attack against camel units in the Feudal/Castle/Imperial Age.
(Can be adjusted or changed to another cavalry-related bonus.)
All tech cost no gold if having a Wonder.
Wonder: Jokhang
UU: Sling cavalry (50F 50G)
Tibetan slinger is a traditional shepherd tool and weapon. Every elite Tibetan warrior mastered it and had used it in Tang-Tibet war.
HP: 50 > 60 (elite)
attack: 6 > 8
+7 vs infanrtry, +10 vs Condottieri
+7 > +10 vs spearmen, +8 > +10 vs skirmisher, +10 > +15 vs camel
range: 5
minimum range: 1
frame delay: 5
accuracy: 80%
rate of fire: 2.03
projectile speed: 5.5
armor: 0/1 > 0/2
speed: 1.4
light of sight: 6
upgrade cost: 1000F 800G
UT:
Castle age: “Gongkhang Armouries” (400F 200G 30sec)
Scout cavalry, Spearmen and Skirmishers halve the cost.
Imperial age: “Gelug” (700W 600G 50sec)
Upgrades Monasteries to Gompa. Relic generate gold 100% faster and Monks are trained 50% faster.
The Gompa is an improved Monastery, but has 500 more HP, 1/5 more armor and attacks enemies with arrow fire.
Tech Tree Focus
Economy: NO Crop Rotation & Guilds
Blacksmith: NO Bracer & Plate Mail Armor
Castle: NO Sappers & Hoardings
Barracks: NO Champion
Stable: NO Paladin (& maybe Hussar)
Archery Range: NO Parthian Tactics
Siege Workshop: NO Onager & Bombard Cannon
Monastery: Full
University: NO Architecture, Siege Engineers, Bombard Tower & Heated Shot
Dock: NO Fast Fire Ship, Dry Dock & Shipwright & Cannon Galleon line
