Replacing or renaming of "knight" for those peoples who did not have knights

Ever herd of the term readability?That means ability to identify something at once.If you rename and reskin units it will break that.

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He means the name.

Now now, the developing company isn’t an all-powerful entity with unlimited resources. These things cost money, time, and they have to analyze the impact of this on the playerbase. To tell you the truth, I agree with what people have said: readibility is super important, so different skins shouldn’t be implemented.

With regards to the OP, respectfully disagree.

While I generally support accurate unit naming (more in AOE3 than AOE2), “knight” in modern context is generally synonymous with an amoured cavalry. Most major civilizations, at least in the Old World, have their own version of this unit. So when someone says a “Chinese knight” or “Turkish knight” in English, most people can innately understand that they are talking about a “Chinese Tie-ji” or an “Ottoman Sipahi”. There is no confusion, or anything really awkward about it. Furthermore, it is more concise in English to say “knight” than say “iron cavalry” or “soldier (horseman)”.

Plus, this keeps future unique units and techs open. Notice that Samurai, Ghulam, and Knight all means “servant” in some capacity. Unless we are redesigning a new medieval game along the lines of AOE3 (I think that is what AOE4 is doing), we can probably make do with the universal “knight”.

Now “champion” on the other hand
 Did any civilization refer to their elite foot soldier as “champions”?

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Milita line names are completely wrong historically.M@A is a cavalry man or heavily armored footman,long sword should ideally be a two handed weapon.

I would rename champion to foot knight or m@a if we are going for historical terms.

Milita footman swordsman m@a foot knight.

Half of the regular unit names are specific to a region and a time period: Knight, paladin, hussar, longswordman, halberdier, arbalester, trebuchet, galley, cog


Your proposal is basically giving the knight 7 different names.
It is important to have a standardized language to discuss topics related to the game. What could we call the standard heavy cavalry and its upgrades? “Heavy cavalry level 1/2/3” kind of work but its a bit more complicated and, honestly, boring. How would you call the dozen of variants on the milita line? They’re the same unit at the end of the day.
The original devs have decided to build a standardized set of aesthetics for all the civs based on western europe. It’s only logical that the naming convention follows the same route.

Furthermore, the name “knight” is so specific to western europe that its meaning has come the other way around and became an abstraction of “heavy cavalry” of any kind and culture.

Nevertheless, as other comment says

and this is something almost any civ in the game historically had.

Now, as a side note

All this can be made “client side”, so that only the player can see the sknis and names.
It doesn’t makes much sense for renamings, since the names could no longer be used as standardized terms for communication.

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Gaudio3342, this is the case when I read a text and its parts seem to make sense, but all together is complete nonsense.

I don’t understand the problem.

Is it the word ‘knight’? In that case, the knights of the Teutons should be called ‘Ritter’?

Is it that ‘knight’ means ‘elite heavy cavalry funded by feudalism’ and some nations didn’t use feudalism? By that metric some of the Teuton knights also shouldn’t have been called knights.

The problem is that most of nations never had knights.

Sorry, I still don’t understand what you mean with ‘knight’, and your explanation doesn’t clarify it for me.

Unless you mean to say that most nations didn’t have heavy cavalry whatsoever. What’s the defining point of a ‘knight’? Plate armour?

except for the meso civs which ones didnt?

Dravidians, Koreans, Malays, Vietnamese, Chinese, Cumans, Bengalis.

Almost none did. Read the head-post.

Theres a large gap of the world outside of Europe amd south to East Asia that never used Crossbows yet i wouldn’t change that either because why make a big deal over a simple aesthetic that as others have said: readability

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it has been explained to you that ‘knight’ is just ‘heavily armoured nobels on horseback’.
so which ones do you want to rename:
japanese knights are now called samurai?
turkish knights are spahi?
pesian cataphracts?
polish hussar?
frankish chevalier or gendarmes?
teutonic ritter?

it’s absurd

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No. Tatar knight, African knight and Japanese knight is absurd.

There were cavalry with heavy armor which is called Bushi, Samurai in Japan in 11c~. (btw, what is mounted monk in Asian nations? I’ve never heard.)

I will echo Gaudio3342’s words and say that most of the units in AoE2 are right now an abstraction of actual historical units. Knights in AoE2 do not literally mean Knights, nor do Paladins mean the
 twelve paladins of real life.

Knights in AoE2 refer to heavily armored mounted units, but finding a name for them that is universal is either cumbersome or
 boring. That being said, we already have Light Cavalry. We can absolutely have *Heavy Cavalry’.

Not sure what it would upgrade to, Hussar much like Paladin are iconic names in AoE2 at this point, and renaming them will be futile. I don’t think the playerbase would follow the renaming attempts (though Arbalester and Camel rider are the names used, so who knows; though you can argue those aren’t as iconic names :person_shrugging: ).

For the time being, you can just imagine Knight being renamed to Heavy Cavalry, Crossbows into ‘Stronger Archers’ and whatnot else. And finally, historical accuracy hasn’t really been a priority for the game anyway. It serves as inspiration, not a rulebook to be followed. It’s why we can have Aztecs fighting Teutons in the game. That doesn’t make sense just as much as whichever ‘problematic’ civ having Knights doesn’t. But in AoE2, both are possible and things that happen. (:

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Ingame bengali and dravidians dont have knight line but historically they did use heavy cavalry.

All stepp people had catapract type units other adopted from them.

Chinese and koreans had heavy cavalry,juchen iron pagodas were fully armored.

Burmese and vietnamese might be the only candidates without heavy cavalry.

Did the Malians and Ethiopians have heavy cavalry, or even heavy infantry for that matter?

This is really an Asian battle monk. They just didn’t have a special name if they are on horse.