Hahahaha. Nooo, man. In some other war this might have been the case. But in this case, peace means recognition of the independence and uniqueness of Ukraine. And war and slavery are the recognition of Ukraine by the same people, and their freedoms as simply an unsuccessful rebellion. Being the same people for them means being enslaved for another 100 years.
“Everything has turned upside down in our earthly home.”
Ultimately, we’re all the same people, so none of our wars make any sense. We’re all related. It just seems extra silly for two countries that have so much common history to be fighting.
But in the words of Forrest Gump, “That’s all I have to say about that.”
Wars are NOT fought because peoples decide that they are similar or dissimilar in some way. They are carried out because kings rob their people and one people is never enough for them, they need to rob 2, 3, etc. But it turns out that not all nations are happy to be robbed, then they begin to defend themselves. And the differences have nothing to do with it.
Wars are fought as long as there are people blind enough to accept to be thrown like men at arms against a castle from their respective leaders.
I know it’s easy to tell from my outsider perspective but if I see two friends fighting I usually try to make them stop, not to insult one of the two and go on like both NATO and Putin are doing from their respective sides.
After all, with the naked eye you can see several hundred years of difference between these two pictures X D.
I can’t find the image on the left anywhere (especially the blue banner of the Most Gracious Savior). I bet it’s a scene between the 11th and 14th centuries.
The image on the right shows the Cossacks writing a letter to Sultan Mehmed IV which took place around 1680, well after the time frame of AoE 2!!!
Just adding Cossack units doesn’t appeal to me because they are not medieval in the slightest. If you want to see Ukrainians/Cossacks civ, count on AoE 3, not AoE 2.
Thread seems like it’s descended to internet Balkan flamewar territory, but just to throw my cents in, I think Vlachs & Serbs (Slavs = Rus’) are the very last and final two European civs that both aren’t (A) already somehow represented and (B) justify being added historically, to AoE2.
I do think that list is the highest priority Euro civs left, but I still really think a barbarian expansion with Vandals and another barbarian invasion civ (I’m thinking Langobards/Lombards) with a new archtecture set to give Goths (and maybe Huns as well if they don’t want to make a separate Nomad set for them and Mongols) has a lot of potential, and in lower priority items I think Saxons has potential, both as the earlier barbarian culture and the later rulers of England that the Normans displaced, and I think an argument could be made for a late Middle Ages/renaissance Kingdom of Sweden, yeah technically Vikings covers them but they’re very different IMO. But on the whole there should be more focus on Asia and Africa than Europe, and I could live with it if this proposed Serbs/Vlachs DLC were the last for Europe, but at least the Barbarian idea I think is also high priority personally…sorry if i’m rambling lol.
I think the solution to the architectural problem with Goths civ could be solved as follows:
Scandinavian DLC adding Danes and Swedes civs along with a remake of Vikings and Goths civs.
Along with such a DLC there would be a completely new Northern European Architecture Set for these 4 civs.
Vikings civ would be renamed into Norwegians civ. The Goths would receive, among other things, a completely new unique unit - Gadrauht (Huskarl would become a regional unit for them, the Danes and the Britons civs).
Honestly I think Vikings works well enough for Danes, i’d rather see Vikings left as is and Swedes added, and then also add a Saxons civ, that way you can get another barbarian invasion civ that could also be the Saxon rulers of England before 1088. Dual purpose civ in that way.