Is very clear latest nerf to Ottomans were rather very small and the civ is still absurd to play against, I was thinking on what if you nerf the effect from 50% cheaper Mosque techs to just 33%, still should be a considerable discount for those overcharged units you get but making those wayy harder to afford in those tight FI-semi FI BOs. Think for a moment on this, is lit the only civ (and a civ whose Yoruks are autoqueued for free with access to absurd units) that can get a big discount on those tech while every other european civ needs full price, yet no other civ can get that amount of OP units soo easily (18 Nizam Fusilier, 5 Sipahis and 3 Bombards).
Another thing is maybe just move the 5 Sipahis card from Age3 to Age4?
Edit: After checking the Mosque card effect was 33% in the past, I don’t understand why had to be buffed?
for what its worth, the discount being applied to the advanced card techs was an EP patch change (2018 time frame iirc) - at the time the techs were only “quite decent” and the discount wasn’t very broken simply because the number of jans and bombards granted by the techs were within reason. Prior to that on the TAD patch the mosque construction card only reduced the cost of the villager techs. For whatever reason the DEvs saw fit to buff the absolute [your choice of expletive] out of the techs but didn’t remove the EP discount from the card. (Those familiar with the EP era will know that the ep9 patch was used as a template for a large % of the release date DE proto and techtree files). Basically a small buff many years ago has led to the dumpster fire of the modern Otto FI. I’ve said it for the last 4 years and will keep saying it over and over— Nizam were a mistake.
The only other civ that I know of that gets a card that gives a discount on church techs is ethiopia. The discount is 30% on cost and 50% on arrival time. What’s more the ehtiopian church techs dont offer as much tempo as the otto’s techs do and cost influence which in the early game is scarce and slow to gather.
Mosque Construction certainly is a lot of why the FI is a problem. They keep increasing the costs of the techs and ignoring the card that discounts them by 50%. I think a good compromise would be 50% on the default techs and 25% on the advanced techs.
It also bothers me that they didn’t touch the grens or the infantry discount (age 4 card). Those are both major issues. The discount card should really only discount Jans and the grens need to be 4 speed. Azaps should be 4 speed too btw.
I’m inclined to disagree with nerfing Spahi, they haven’t changed much in years and the only reason their an issue now is that they seem to have been used as the measuring stick for the rest of Otto (I’m exaggerating, but things have really gotten out of hand).
