Will it be a good idea if the Shrivamsha Rider is made a regional unit for all Indian Civs?
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No, because the Gurjaras would need to be buffed then.
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No. It’s a unit specific to Western India. That breed of horse came from there and it wasn’t exported to other regions.
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Yes it would be perfect.
Not that its a bad idea but you can always nerf the base Shrivamsha rider’s recharge rate or number of projectiles dodged by 1 and keep the current stats specific to Gurjaras.
Game isn’t 100% historically accurate or meant to adhere to it. Dravidians get husbandry now but didn’t for the last 3 years. Its not like someone travelled back in time and altered the history to make their elephants and cavalry move faster. Much better to just see it as an RTS. You can rename the unit however you want. Maybe it can have a different name for Dravidians and Bengalis but the concept is what matters. Given the design of those civs, there’s a necessity for a unit that can kill skirms, lower number of ranged units and siege.
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I have noticed you don’t seem to care about this. So how about another angle: The Shrivamsha Rider is designed specifically to fit with the Gurjaras civ design.
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Why would this need any change to Gurjara balance?
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I like the idea.
Shrivamsha means Royal Breed Horse. So Shrivamsha Rider simply means rider of Shrivamsha. Graphics wise unit looks pretty generic to fit all Indian civs.
Addition of Shrivamsha to Bengalis and Dravidians will especially help with their mobility problems.
While each of the other Indian Civs can also provide interesting bonuses to the unit -
- Gurjaras have Kshatriya (Military units cost -25% food). And Mounted units deal +20%/+30%/+40% bonus damage in the Feudal/Castle/Imperial Age.
- Bengalis have Cavalry units +2 attack vs Skirmishers.
- Dravidians have Wootz Steel (Cavalry attacks ignore armor.)
- Hindustanis have light cavalry units have +2 attack against standard buildings.
So Gurjara Shrivamsha Riders still remains the strongest with more bonuses than others while other civilisations also have their own flavors to the unit.
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The rider is literally designed like a Sindhi horseman, and the elite like a Gujarati one. It is not generic.
Please stop trying to make the South Asian civs similar to each other again.
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So when are we going to get the Sindhi, Gujarati, Jat and Rajput Civilisation (Gurjara Split) in game? Because Sindhis were always enemies of Gurjara Pratihara being the first vassal state under Ummayads.
I just wish he actually looked like this -
Then he wouldn’t fit any of the other Indian Civs.
But right now he is just barebodied model with a generic dhal shield.
Rajputs fall under Gurjaras for AoE2’s purposes. But Sindhi I would love to see added. However, other parts of South Asia are completely barren, and a higher priority.
Not anymore. Here’s the elite model:
Not fully armoured, but a lot better than naked.
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Historical accuracy aside, the shrivamsha is meant to fill a hole in the gurjara tech tree (not having knight).
- Dravidiens are designed to have terrible cavalry. Apparently this is wrong, but unless devs redo the civ I don’t expect them to receive a strong cavalry like shrivamsha (probably very good at raiding, even without bloodlines)
- Hindustani literally have their own anti-archer specialist. Giving them shrivamsha would be redundant, make them even more similar to gurjaras and make their uu even less useful.
- Arguably shrivamsha would make more sens with Bengalis, although the civ already has options against archers
(history aside. But if even historically it doesn’t make sense…)
Also, it’s fine that some civs have mobility issues. If anything, I would rather have the Hindustanis less well-rounded than have other cigs buffed to the same level of strong eco + strong cavalry + strong deathball
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- Dravidians are the most disliked civ because of their terrible cavalry. I guess that needs to change one day rather than keep the civ designs
- Maybe let’s skip Hindustanis. They don’t really need Shrivamsha. You are right.
- Yes Shrivamsha will complement Bengali play style very nicely.
This will kind of relieve Gurjaras having too many land based unique units while helping Bengalis and Dravidians each by adding a second land unique unit to their roaster.
I don’t really think historicity is as rigid on AoE2. Being Sindhi the unit doesn’t really belong to any of the civs.
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Split the dravidians and give the split civis some shared unit.Shawarma rider can stay as it is.
A grand DLC for this region would be epic.
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i dont really get any reason for why the other civs should get it? all i see is cons
Here are the pros -
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This is a great idea to refresh these civs. Amidst the chaos of current DLC, this change will be a winner for devs if implemented. I think this was a missed oppurtunity with DoI DLC.
Gujjaras will still have Shrivamsha riders with the same stat. So Nah! Gurjaras were nerfed to oblivion on ranked for so many other reasons. Some of those changes can be undone.
Horses were bred in west and east(see manipur cavalry) of Indian subcontinent prominently. Who do you think they were breeding them for? Don’t you think rest of India could have bought them from there. Don’t you think they would have bred them with local breeds? Gujjaras get a discount to reflect the fact that they were better at breeding cavalry. Dravidian campaign hero is a heavy cavalry unit. Devs know that adding heavy cavalry to Dravidians is not historically inaccurate.
Agree, Indian did cross their horse breeds with arabian and mongolian varieties. Its not like the sub continent did not know how to breed farm animals and make unique varieties to suit their need. So the unit can be used as it is. The graphic does seem to fit all civs.
Yup! Good collection of bonuses. Dravidians will lack the elite upgrade which could be an unique quirk. The only reason original Indians civ did not have knights was because their camels had a bonus of +1/+1 armour to compensate which none of the Indian civs have.
Its already changed with husbandry addition. Adding Shrivamsha rider could be the one missing item to fix them. It will make the civ extremely interesting to play.
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Yup! Maybe the problems with Ratha can be addressed though this change. Maybe introduce this change suggested by Hera. Start Ratha armour at 0/0 and make them benefit from both archer, cavalry and cav archer armour upgrades. They don’t need to rely on Ratha high armour mid-game. Currently Bengalis playstyle is completely around Ratha.
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The designs of those civs are flawed with some huge weaknesses unaddressed and a unit like this partially fixes the weaknesses of Dravidians and Bengalis to some extent while its sort of an extra option that’s not quite necessary for Gurjaras. I’m not opposed to giving such civs a stronger economic bonus and military tech to balance their weakness. But this is another alternative to fix them. The lack of knights in castle age against elite skirms plus cavalry and lack of +4 in imp are a major weakness for Dravidians. For Bengalis, Shrivamshas can be useful for transitioning into expensive Elephant units as well as kill scorpions, thereby compensating a bit for the lack of bombard canons.
Gurjaras on the other hand have faster producing camels, ranged units with thumb ring. In the later stages they have cheaper light cav/hussar, bombard canons. So Shrivamsha riders in their current state have even more niche usage for Gurjaras than it can potentially have for Dravidians and Bengalis.
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This is already a questionable unit with their weird ability to block projectiles and awkwardly punish faster and/or stronger projectiles.
Didn’t you mute me earlier? Then how do you comment on my post, Mr. Turk?
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