Seemingly this thread has now become a sloppy grudge thread, overtaken by the grudgers.
Devs didn’t lie about non-splitting Chinese. Chinese are still there, with only minor changes to them.
Whilst you are at least trying to spread a misleading narrative. And given that you ahve been informed that it wasn’t a lie SEVERAL TIMES already I could actually state by now that in fact YOU ARE THE ONES INTENTIONALLY LYING.
Stop spreading the lie about devs lying.
Maybe they just wanted to try something just a little different?
When…if…
Wu are Chinese. Wei are Chinese. Shu are Chinese.
They split the Chinese more than the Indians were split.
They literally lied multiple times.
“We will not add insignificant polities”
How is that anything other than a lie?
That’s at best redundancy, not splitting. Also pretty clear what was actually meant with the statment on the podcast when you watch it fully.
The questiion was badly asked with a categorisation that was not really fitting a yes/no answer in the context. It would have been better to state that the categorization was badly chosen or respond with an own narrative instead. However it was pretty clear that the response meant nothing more than:
“we will keep chinese in the game”. And that’s what they did.
Yes some people interpreted a lot of stuff in that, but they should just have acknowledged that their interpretations were more lead from dreams than the actual real response.
Where do you have that from?
Pretty condescending from you, don’t you think? I actually disagree there. They are in my eyes they had way more significance in world history than eg burgundians.
however I don’t really care about such arbitrary classifications again. Because it’s subjective and only invites disrespectful people to condescend everybody except the few civs they want to add to the game.
It’s their choice. If devs think 3K fits their selection criteria for new civs, they can add it.
Can’t be a lie, cause cleary they thought they were significant enough for them to be added.
Maybe you can criticize their method of chosing, but you can’t say it would be a lie.
And again I really dislike your implicite condescending and accusating narratives. You treat other people very, very badly for no reason.
If you’re in an important position, and cannot give a clear answer, don’t. Or, make sure that you are very clear.
Instead an answer was given that can generously be called confusing, and at worst a lie.
The exact same interview.
China splits and reforms all the time. The Three Kingdoms are no more important than the Ten Kingdoms, and they are not in the game.
Not to mention, the civs in the game are largely based on cultural/ethnic lines, it’s pretty clear with all of them…except these three. They break this, and demonstrate with their cavalcade of made-up and misplaced units, UTs, castles and wonders why this game does not do political groups as civs.
Because I don’t instantly trust people that are trying to sell something. And I certainly don’t like blind defense of such actions either.
Every criticism of the devs you quickly come in to defend. You don’t need to do that, if the devs produced something good, it does not need defending. Nobody in here is defending Dawn of the Dukes from criticism, because it holds up incredibly well.
This is also part of the problem, a constant decrease in quality. The first three DLCs were really good, not perfect, but good. From there it’s been a slippery slope down. If it’s not called out, it WILL get worse, because there’s no incentive not to. Hell, the 3K DLC released with some of the civs unfinished, which they are still in a state of to this day.
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Have you listende to any speech of any person in an important position? THEY NEVER GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER that can’t be twiseted in some capacity to in the end mean the total opposite of what they originally meant.
Like the guy on the most important position in the world, the american president.
And btw you also almost never do that actually, you beat around the bush all the time. Instead of telling what you actually want you just attack other people. And the few times you do your demands are just absurd and wouldn’t do any good for the game.
Well, that’s actually a good thing because this whole stupid ethnicity/race nonsense wasn’t in existance in the middle ages. So we get actually closer to the historic reality there.
I can imagine if racists now rage because their little hate world narrative collapses, but tbh I don’t really care about that. They need to learn that anyways, that’s just not real and just constructed and enables authoritarian dictators like hitler.
That’s weird. Cause I criticize the devs quite often myself. Maybe you mean that I would respond to you all the time. But I’m pretty sure I’m not because in most grudge threads where you are super active I’m not even present. So idk where this comes from and it is actually definitely A LIE. Coming from that person who just 3 posts ago made a lecture about how bad lying would be.
I certainly react to unjust criticism when I read it, like in this case. And that’s something you have to accept. If you critize somebody - and so harsh as you do here - there can be different takes on that. And if people don’t share your perspective they will criticize your way of criticism. And the way you expect the devs to take your critic you have to take my critic aswell.
Yeah the quality of discussion in this forum has definitely declined over the past years. It’s basically impossible now to get a healthy discussion running because some people just go everywhere to spread their hate…
Man, guess what? we all are humans and we all have different opinions.
Making a thread on this forum will not change People minds
I sincerely think AoE II DE is in a very bad state because of the continuous DLCs that break the game more than ever before. There are so many things to learn for players, to balance for devs and to get into the first place for the Newcomers.
The game is losing is identity as a Classic Middle Ages RTS and becoming a RTS Poutpourri game. A game for all game modes, variants, legends and heroes, which I genuinely think is a complete mistake.
If you think that the game is on its best state ever that is up you boy!
Yeah I was sounding the alarm with V&V but we had to “support the game” and since things have gotten soooooo much better…
I hear the same platter from you guys since 3K was released.
Maybe it’s time to either put on a new record or leave the game for good if you can’t find your peace.
She’s actually a girl.
How would I know that?
Then
Maybe is better for you girl to leave the forums for a while. Touch grass and take care of yourself and your mental health. And please do not take things personally. These are only people’s opinions on a forum website
Grow a spine and make it better!
Out of interest, what would you consider to be more than “only minor changes”? When Chinese were reworked they gained one new unique unit, gained three new regional units/unit lines, lost three units/unit lines, lost one civ bonus, gained a new civ bonus, and had a significant change to one of their unique techs. To me this is probably the biggest change a civ has ever had (except maybe Indians changing to Hindustanis). What makes you see it as minor?
(I’m not saying you’re wrong, just interested in your perspective since it’s obviously very different from mine.)
interesting list, looks massive.
But Chinese still feel chinese in the context of the other east asian civs which also got the new regional units. The only real practical change is that they lost camels, but that’s what i mean with minor.
The incas was a real rework though their list of changes is probably way shorter.
The problem is you can’t fit political groups in as civs, because they don’t last long enough, none of them do. Lots of the 3K stuff is made up or dragged in from somewhere else because there just isn’t enough material for three sixty year political factions, compared to thousands of years of history.
Plenty of civs blend smaller groups in, something racists hate. So I’m not sure what your angle is here.
Also seriously, bringing up both Hitler and Trump?
You respond to me criticising the devs a hell of a lot lately. But hey, I’m not everywhere in the forums all the time, so I don’t see what else goes on.
And why do you think that is? Because of worsening quality over time. People are angry because something has made them angry, and telling them to stop won’t do anything.
Also people are angry because they want the game to improve, people get angry when they care. When people don’t care, that’s much worse.
After a month, I posted on Reddit showing how I’d quit the game after 5 seconds if I came up against the Khitans (in the 1900+ Elo range, complete with a screenshot).
And strangely enough, I got over 50% upvotes, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Just as I’ve shown over time how to put together a proper map pool, but no such luck
IDK what you think. But if you really care you should stop with this.
Because your current actions in this forum and on other platforms are slowly destroying the community. Independent of whatever happens to the actual games. And if the community is destroyed, there is also no game.
Just accept that 3K will stay. It can’t be taken back, because of the actions that have been taken from you and other community members in response. You went too far. Learn your lesson, sometimes it’s better to not use the final gun as first strike. You don’t understand the art of how these stuff works, you have illusions on how free people are in their actions. You might get away with a lot because you are not in a responsible position, but people who are can’t.
On that note, if you’re reading this, Raymi Klingers, I want to say that you have my utmost respect; as a colleague who has been programming in C++ all my life and who sometimes has to deal with projects that are decades old.
Also, if any community relations managers are taking note, we need more events like this. They could even be two-hour sessions every four to six months. You could invite a few developers, put them in front of a microphone and have them explain a bit about what goes on behind the scenes, or answer questions from the chat. That would be really appreciated.
No, bootlickers like you destroy the community because it tells the devs they can get away with anything.
can you explain to me please why when i clicked on my icon it showed to me first that this reply was written by @Tyranno13 ?
Why? So the DLCs can keep getting worse?
Prove it.
Prove how me making posts on the internet is worse than releasing progressively poorer quality DLCs.
How?
What is “too far”? All I have done is criticise the DLC and point out all the reasons why it’s bad. I haven’t made threats to the devs outside of withdrawing money, which is perfectly within my rights as a consumer.
Ok, you’ve lost me now.
Again, not to beat a dead horse. But if they just admitted that there were some critical mistakes or misjudgements made in the pursuit of making something they wanted to, then we’d probably accept it.
Like as much as we want the Medevial China DLC we aren’t entitled to it either nor are we entitled to a fix for 3K. However that doesn’t mean we’ll have to accept it.
In my opinion the only real thing that can be done is to not play the game anymore and voice your discontent to the appropriate feedback channels. Like yeah it won’t do much, but progress is a two way street. It won’t happen unless the Devs themselves address the problem and until then we are under no obligation to financially support them.