The English seems like a pretty good allrounder civ.
They get gold trickle from farms later on too, totaling in 136 gold/min. when 8 farms are being worked at around 1 mill. That is a pretty good trickle, better than housing a relic. The HRE need to secure a relic to get their 300 gold/min. or else they have built an entirely useless landmark.
Their MAA have a unique upgrade, making their armor superior.
Castles, towers and units get a 25% attack speed boost when fighting in a “network of castles” I find that to be quite substantial. It even gets to 50% if the upgrade is researched.
The berkshire palace even has 50% increased range.
I don’t know, it seems pretty nice overall, I think the English are not really underpowered or uninspired personally.
I played mainly as the english during closed beta and stress test and they are pretty solid.
They have the ability to dictate the pace at the game because of the potential of their longbow rush, which is not meant to kill the enemy but to be used for map control and harass and weaken your oponents eco while you grow your own eco behind that.
They can get a second early tc on feudal like any civ and one of their landmarks for castle age is a town center, so as long as you research the proper upgrades your eco can be great.
Their farms can get a gold trickle late game from each farm they make and its pretty solid, I had no problems on keeping unit production late game with that tech. In fact it’s way better than the Chinese bonus late game as tax collectors work well on paper but atm they don’t seem that impactfull.
The MAA line of English is inferior vs HRE, not only that HRE has the best defense in the game with the upgrade % damage less on the building
Their cavalry sucks , they reply on mostly Infantry and longbow making they are the worst versatile civil ever in mid to late game, the Abbasid and HRE gonna shrek them with their camel speed and insane infantry
The chinese insane Siege units like Bee net that shrek through any armor units , the MAA without speed upgrade like the HRE gonna be a burden
The farm cost reduction mean absolutely nothing, it’s good on paper but the pay off is not big like Abbasid 50% food reduction, or HRE Relic bonus
Great way to start this conversation. You’re basically telling me you will not bother to even look at evidence people bring to the table.
It doesn’t, its average.
You do know that the Nest of Bees were nerfed to hell in the latest patch right?
Did you even play the stress test?
Abbasids don’t have insane infantry. They have like 1 tech that increases spearman range.
Its also funny that you think Abbasid cavalry archers can beat the English considering that archers are a notably good counter to them. Who has the best archers in the game rn?
The English aren’t the most unique faction (by looks) as they’re just typical Europeans. Yet, they’re gameplay mechanics are fun and sometimes even overpowered. They aren’t bad, they can be surprisingly good. They get MAA in the Dark Age and possibly the best archers in-game. Their siege sucks, but their defenses are real good. Overall I’d say they’re above average. Not creative? Kinda. Powerful? Yeah.
Without culverin, they have a big disadvantage in anti-siege weapons at long range, so they have to depend on mediocre cavalry. There are counters, but it’s significantly harder. Once the game is out for a few weeks I’m sure people will find away to make them extremely powerful, like they will with all civs culverin or not.
The springald is still a very viable counter to siege however. (comes way earlier than imperial age)
Sure without the culverin they lack long range counters to siege but that’s just how the balance is rn.
I wouldn’t say they’re severely deficient in that department.
I simply can’t remember, but aren’t camel archers a support unit for infantry and give bonus armor ?
So abbasids infantry have +1 range (spear), bonus armor if one has a support camel, they can build mangonals on the field (which helps them to instantly build an archer counter while staying offensive)
They have nice bonuses. But by no means would I say they by default steamroll the english or any other opponents.
Atm +1 armor (aoe effect) isn’t that big a buff as the +2 Maa armor tech. Especially if you don’t have a lot of camels sitting around the infantry. The english player can just snipe them to remove the buff.
Im unsure about how well +15% hp maa do vs +2 armor MAA
so we shall see.
The abbasids generally came off as “anti cav” rather than “anti-infantry” .
Yeah a lot of stuff just didn’t work in the stress test apparently.
Its really hard to tell without actually going in and trying the game out so we will have to see at launch.
We might even be getting another balance patch due to stress test results.
I think the main weakness of English is just the lack of Culverin and some newb just stick to Longbowman while fighting Knight and MAA. The Nest of Bees wasn’t as strong as before so the lack of Culverin aren’t as impactful. The English in the end just feel bland because their UUs aren’t useful at late game.