Iberian middle ages are about joining every territory on the peninsula. That was the “manifest destiny” of catholic monarchs. Portugal was created from kingdom of Leon, its joined to the others kingdoms history.
Nobody is talking about calling this civ “Spanish” but saying that they arent related has no sense
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We arent talking about a Spain civ. We are talking about a civ that grow trough ages to become a iberic country.
Maybe you’d find more enjoyment from the campaigns if you saw them less as tutorials and more as “challenge scenarios”. That’s how I view them anyways. Obviously the campaign missions are very different from PVP and skirmish but that is what I like about them: it is fun to see how my skills hold up in specially designed unique scenarios.
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There’s your own answer.
(For why they’re not in the base game)
Haha while I have to admit I really like your point, and the America’s can stand easily on their own two feet. It just makes sense for Spanish and Aztecs (and hopefully Inca) to make a fantastic ‘Clash of worlds’ expansion, with similarly themed campaign to the Montezuma in aoe2. The Conquerors expansion in Age2 had such a winning formula because of this imo.
Its just too good an opportunity for story telling.
hell, chuck Inca centric campaign, and a Spain-Moors campaign and you have a delightful 3 civ 3 campaign bundle, tbh I’d happily pay $20-30 bucks for that… uh… NZD =P
But there was not a single civ that grow trough ages to become a iberic country. In the middle ages there was Basques, Romans, Celts, Goths, Suebi, Franks, Vandals, Alans, Punics, Greeks, Berbers, Arabs, and Jews living in the iberian peninsula. The Visgoths and Romans plus some other minorities, eventually formed the Kingdom of Asturias, the Berbers and Arabs plus some other minorities eventually formed the Emirate of Cordoba and the Basques eventually formed the Kingdom of Pamplona. Some other Goths and Romans mixed with Franks from the Hispanic March eventually become the Catalans and Aragonese. While others Goths and Romans mixed with Celts and Suebi and formed the Kingdom of Galicia, The Emirate of Cordoba splits into taifas and some of the northern kingdoms start to expand south creating new kingdoms like Leon, Castile, Aragon and Portugal.
Is very hard to represent so many distinct civilization into just one and that’s why in Age of Kings they decided to have the Goths as the main civ from the peninsula instead of having a single civ named Spanish. Then with The Conquerors expansion they changed this introducing a Spanish civ by expanding the timeframe to include the Huns invasion of the Roman Empire and the Spanish conquest of the Americas. but both this civs (the huns and the spanish) feel anachronics to the original game scope. The Portuguese in comparison fits better because they were a single kingdom since 1140.
@WitchyBobcat029 Spanish kingdoms cant be anachronistic in a medieval game. At the beggining of it the peninsula is divided in some different “kingdoms or cultures” whatever you want call them but at the end you have 2 different powers: Portugal and “Castille & Aragon”.
“Spanish” history defines the end of medieval era with Columbus travel in 1492, starting the globalization and euroean power on the entire globe.
Also the fall of Rome defines the end of classical era, Huns arent anachronistic neither
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Spanish kingdoms as independent civilizations can’t be anachronistic, but Spanish civilization as a unified culture it is anachronistic. I’m ok if they have Castile, Aragon, Navarra, Cordoba and Portugal as separate civs. I’m also ok if they choose to have them as 1 civ named Jiménez Dynasty and another one for Alandaluz being alomravid or almohad dynasty. I’m not ok with having just 1 single civ named Spanish or Spain unless they do something similar to the chinesse system with the different kingdoms.
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My idea was around that concept, starting as kingdom of Leon and ending with a unified kingdom as it happened in the spanish medieval era. I added Portugal cause it borned from Leon and its related to others (Thats the reason of Felipe II conquering it later) but I would understand if they dont add them.
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No te creas jajaj , una campaña con Pelayo en aoe4 sería brutal jajaj, ya me imagino a los españoles con sus piqueros de tercios, diosss
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España encaja perfectamente en el momento histórico de AoE4 como civilización de late game.
Antes del año 1500 ya usaban arcabuces porque fueron de los primeros en hacerlo y los mejores también en usarlos en un ejercito, de ahí la creación de los tercios. Viendo que los rus tienen strelets, no veo ningún problema en que los españoles tengan arcabuceros.
También tenían buena caballería en la edad medieval y buena infantería como los almogaraves.
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