Suggestion: New civ - Georgians

The Monaspa was also the most famous of all the Georgian military units, so it should be the unique unit. It’s the only logical one.

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Maybe it can be something like a mounted samurai with bonus against uu’s.visually id like to see something unique like a cavalry with a mace.

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Jan Zizka is a hero with a mace.

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And Serbs civ also too :wink:

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That would make good sense.

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You know what, this seems about as good a place as any for this question. I don’t know enough about the history of the region, but what is the reason Georgians and Armenians get suggested so often while for instance Azerbeidzjanians aren’t? (Chechnyans? Abkhazians?) Are historic Georgia and its 11th to 13th century golden age (Yes, I googled to learn that) and to apparently slightly lesser extend medieval Armenia such a big deal? Or this that more of a split along the line that states where umbrella civs feel more or less acceptable?

For Georgia, it depends on what you mean by a “big deal.”
Are they Genghis Khan big deal where they changed the face of history?
No, of course not.
With Medieval Georgia, it’s more like them being very impressive given their circumstances.
Culturally, linguistically, ethnically and religiously isolated, facing off against the some of the greatest powers in history.
It’s the DoomGuy of medieval kingdoms.
In many respects, not as much of a “big deal” or impactful as some of the other things going on in the medieval period, but definitely not irrelevant either and makes for a very interesting story.

Armenia is a bit different.
I’m mainly going to be talking about Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, which is different from the geophrapical Armenia.
Why is it different?
Well many Armenians were ejected from their native lands by the Seljuks and they settled in Cilicia, the South Eastern coast of Anatolia, modern day Turkey.
I’m simplifying things a bit, but they essentially became like one of the crusader states, but as a kingdom and not founded by Catholics or Europeans.
Because of their relationship with the crusader states, they became a little “Fracofied” over the centuries and weren’t like this 100% pure Armenian identity.
Some of the most interesting stuff I can think of militarily involving them is that they were fairly insistant on being pals with the Mongols and even teamed up with them in battle.

This is subjective, but I think from what I’ve read Armenia is less deserving than Georgia for an AoE2 civ.
Armenia is a big deal in the Roman era, but in the medieval era it’s either controlled by one of the Islamic empires or has formed a not 100% culturally Armenian kingdom in Cilicia.
If I’m wrong on that, anyone feel free to correct me.
So I feel as if an Armenia civ would be really cool to have in AoE2 (I’d love to see it), but you can make a decent argument against it also.
It’d be kind of cool to have it as a sort of crusader state representative, but I’m not going to cry if they never add them.
Georgia would be cool to have and if they ever make another DLC in the middle east, I feel like they’d be a fairly logical choice to include.
They had greater impact on the time period than the Armenians, but still not the biggest impact of the time.
And unlike Armenian Cilicia, the Georgians retained their own individually controlled state with less outside influences longer than Armenia.

Sorry for the big post.
TL:DR is it would be neat to have them but it’s not absolutely necessary.

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Tbh while people only care about Armenian Cicilia for its part in the crusades, Armenians had anothe kingdom in the middle ages

Tbh I still dont think Armrnians are nowhefe near necessary either way but they are more than an small crusader state

I do know there was an independant Armenia pre-Cilicia but I’m less versed about the details of it.
I’m just a history fan, not an expert :sweat_smile:

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some civs have eastern buildings but with no catholic church. maybe give them new architecture together

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You couldn’t do Georgia with the existing architecturesthat we have.
It just wouldn’t work.

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and why you think so? look at incas

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Incas and Ethiopians are the same and they don’t have their own architecture set.

But yeah, my disappointment would be immeasurable if they didn’t add a Black Sea architecture set for Georgians.

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You’re right.
We should remove them from the game considering that then. :joy:

Jokes aside, I guess you could give them the Mediterranean set but it’d look weird on them.

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All of East Asia use Japanese/fantacy buildings so giving the Georgians a mismatch set is no big deal.

That’s where I come in. I intend to design a Caucasian architecture set and submit it to Forgotten Empires. Maybe they can hire me.

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The Byzantine set made by Catbarf for the AOE2HD game(available on Steam) could work for Byzantines, Bulgarians, Georgians and Armenians. Its really good but needs to be ported over to AOE2DE with collapse graphics etc.

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Eh. I appreciate the suggestion, but I’ve done a lot of research into Georgian and Armenian architecture and I think they need a newly-designed set.