So Swedish blackberries gather rate are affected by cards like furrier and spice trade
This means that if you never want to transition to mills as swede cause they lack a bunch of upgrades then sending vils onto the berries is a viable option.
They gather at 1.68 when maxed out and get extra yields as well.
Each send of blackberries is worth like 24k food shipment which even with 40 vils will take 6 mins ish to gather, more then enough time to send the card again.
Who needs mills? Play swede lakota/Canada style
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That’s actually awesome. Will try.
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A few logical follow up questions;
How does it look when factoring in not sending another infinite shipment (opportunity cost)?
How many cards do you save/lose vs the standard mill strategy?
How’s the food per second comparison? I think Swede gets like 1.77 mill rate, so the berries should be better, but does it justify the change which includes most shipments after a certain point?
So Furrier/Spice Trade//Blackberries/Refrigeration.
It’s a cool alternative, but that’s a lot of cards for one resource.
I’m gonna try it!
But there’s a significant saving in lumber and coins, without investing in mill improvements or mill construction.
I think it could be viable.
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Thinking about it too, on the right map there are some spicy berry upgrades. ~25%ish on a treasure on one map, the name of which escapes me, and like +40% from the Tiger Claw natives.
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I would say this is not a strat where you want anyone to get into imp
Since by then the costs of mills is basically nothing and the mill cards can come into play
The nice thing about the 1.68 rate is that its achievable basically in age 3 so if you are in a say late age 3 brawl situation or even age 4, you will have the fastest food speed outside of lakota
Its also nice for the transition, spice trade, furrier and refridgeration also affects your hunts so your transition into berries is a lot less painful then transition into mills (hunt rate is about 1.75)
It feels particularly nice if you are say doing the swede pike FI since this combined with great northern forest means you have a super efficient eco to pair with your super cheap pikes.
It basically fuels a pure food wood comp very well
As for other infinite shipments, the only other comparable one is the mine one I feel (or the native but you can only send 2 of those before you hit with the cap) so its a comparison of 24k food vs like 4k gold
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Do those both affect torps too? And the African native? Akan maybe
You never want to go into mills as any civ if you can avoid it, except Ethiopia since they have huge bonus to fields.
The ideal situation is to bank your excess early food from your huntabless into herdables.
oh the treasure does affect it
thats big discovery
I think i am mistaken on the max rate, I think there might have been native tech or the house of vasa was active
Did it on pure nothing, before Imp since this is when this is most viable
Maxed berries is 1.07 (3 cards)
Maxed hunts is 1.55 (3 cards) + hunting dogs + steel traps
Maxed mill is 1.11 (refrigeration + 2 mill techs) *.07 for walking idle = 0.77
So if you can manage this transition where instead of dumping like 1600 wood on 4 mills + x amount of res for all the techs you just send the card its pretty good.
edit: ah the zapotec tech also increases berry gather rate, that I have never noticed before, that might have been what boosted the rate a bit
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Yes, but it’s horrible to use Sweden anyway, you have to spend more cards to replenish the berries, it’s still more viable to collect from animals, especially if you have species trade, even so it’s a bad shipment because you don’t need as much food with Sweden, if you want more comfort just make more houses, or send the blueberry improvement, apart from the other better ecological ones that already exist
well the combo here doesnt stop you from collecting hunts, since spice trade and furrier also affects hunts,
it basically means that you can go hunts → berries with one card
instead of going hunts → mills requiring a lot of res\
and you only suffer a lose of 0.5 res per second
if you go to mills you lose 0.7 res per second, half of your food rate.
I think you can do without windmills until you get to Imperial, where you do the Capitol upgrade.
yeah if you do this it will be a win before Imp thing
tbh even then as swede since you only have refrigeration, your Imp mill rate is only around 1 food per second so the berries still has a tiny advantage,
edit: ok thats sad, if you go finland revolt the jeagers doesnt get the rates boosted by cards, so a dream finland eco revolt build isnt possible
What is that huge bonus?
Is it in the gather rate or cards?
