for a teutons split we could have bavarians and austrians bavarians would have the current teutons bonuses and austrians would have a heavy crossbowman as their unique units austrians were known for their crossbows also in austria there is salzburg which is close to salt deposits so austrians in game can have economic bonuses if we want more possible civs we can look at barbarossa first scenario every ia opponent is a different duchy all of them can be new civs isnt that curious guys isnt that curious
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doesn’t this ignore the majority of German speaking lands? eg the Hanse, Prussia, Saxony, Rhineland
this seems like splitting a USA civ and turning them into Canadians and Montana
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If you want more civ variety in the HRE you can already use the likes of Burgundians and Bohemians and even the Goths, and whatever happens in the lawless lands south of the Alps.
I don’t think Teutons should be split as they represent the germanic core of the HRE. Having relatively weak crossbows is similar to why the Franks don’t shine it it, being historically accurate by giving them well armoured mechanical crossbows would be a combo too powerful with their cavalry (and the HRE was very feudal, with cavalry the most decisive arm).
AOE2 is not a grand strategy game, you don’t need a civ for different entities that would be very close from each other. Similar to why I don’t think Italians should be slit into the different city-states at the time, the current civ is already good enough at covering them.
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We could, but we won’t and I like it that way
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But for variety, I just played the Nobu’ scenario that’s all Japanese, allowing you to pick between 6 different clans. With triggers, they got different bonuses unique units and techs (Takeda has better cavalry, Otomo has better gunpowder including conquistadores, Mori can train ninjas and saboteurs in a brand new building…), so you can already make german duchies that feel different, based on the same civ.
You do not need for civs to be split to get what you want.
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i believe the people here do not realize the sheer amount of cultures that used to be in the HRE, with how fractured the HRE was, i believe it deserves the india treatment.
Personally i’d like the list to be Teutons, HRE, Austria, & something like Bavaria… but i think that’s one too many.
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i just checked barbarossa scenario 1 and guess what guys two of the opponents were made into civs they are burgundians and bohemians also austria and bavaria are two other opponents so im confident theyll be given the same treatment
what do you mean are you associating austria with canada because they are alien to teutons and usa respectvely i dont agree with you
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For me personally having swiss and austrians is enough to split the teutons.
Both Austrians and Bavarians have a common origin from the Bavarians - they speak the Bavarian language.
It is better to add civs that have no coverage, e.g. Saxons (which would cover almost all of Northern Germany). Allemanians and Franconians would also be good civs representing completely separate German nations.
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All of the German states have a common origin - they’re German.
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Africa, South America and East Asia only having 3 civs.
Meanwhile this guy: “Let’s add individual European duchies!”
Also this isn’t happening. DLCs that add additionally civs always come with another civ that lacks a campaign in that area (Britons, Lithuanians, Persians). Only exception was DoI, and that was because they added even more civs due to India being almost the size of all of Europe.
Teutons have a campaign, even if you split it up and re-name it, Barbarossa still exists.
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You have a problem with their existence?
If you want to have such stupid fun, the same can be said about Dravidians.
It will probably hurt you now and you will be offended.
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That’s why I suggested that this campaign be for the Allemanians civ because Frederick Barbarossa was a Swabian ruler.
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I would agree with you. The Dravidians umbrella is almost as ridiculous as the Indians one. Almost.
Personally I really like Teutons and think they’re one of the best-designed civs in the game – so I wouldn’t want to see them “split” in the same way Indians were, or receive any sort of major rework.
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Because the Indian umbrella was the umbrella of the entire subcontinent and the Dravidians umbrella is the umbrella of a group of nations.
After the split of the Teutons umbrella civ, Teutons civ would remain without any gameplay changes - maybe they would just get a Crusader Knight instead of a Paladin (like Savar in Persians civ).
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Obviously you don’t know that, and the use of the word “split” suggests otherwise. If what you and the OP are calling for is really just more HRE civs, then say that – don’t call it a “split”.
Teutons would remain unchanged after spilit. It is an umbrella because at the moment it represents all Germans - although it is based only on the Teutonic Order.
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Where did you get the idea it’s based only on the Teutonic Order? The name?
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