Finally for once, I’ll be excited to play Germans, or French… or Ottomans.
I remember back in the day when i was learning Ottomans in 2005, they felt cool to play because of lots of unique units and mechanics. I had so much fun exploring the brand new AoE3, and Ottomans in particular.
Then over time I grew accustomed, but then TWC dropped and then TAD. And I found myself no longer playing Euro civs. At all!
Then DE came! The new revolutions were fun. But most of the Euro stuff weren’t very different, till KotM, which brought me back to playing Euro civs, but only Italy and Malta.
But what happened 2 days ago. Wow… I never thought I’d tell people that Germany is a great civ! I never thought I’d enjoy France. It is awesome! Thanks so much devs.
I think I’ll spend a lot of my AoE time on the new European civs. Anybody who is complaining that this ruined the meta, just know this: you don’t get to decide what the meta is. You play by the rules and the rules can change.
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I agree OP. I like to play vanilla civs and devs have made great job for reworking vanilla civs. Age of 3 have been reborn by devs.
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I’ve always disliked a lot of the euro civs, in particular germany and france just back from legacy when it was the same boring semi-ff every game. These changes have actually made me play them again now and I’m really enjoying them.
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Agreed totally. Germany, France, and Ottoman feel like entirely new civs. Germans were always a favorite of mine but now I enjoy them even more. Ottomans are great. France revolt is awesome. Euro civs feel fresh and up to date now. Just an excellent job taking civs from 2005 and evolving them for 2022. The civs still maintain their unique gameplay while adding different ways to play them.
This update makes Euro as dynamic as the post-vanilla civs.
Thank you devs!!!
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Like the British and Spanish before them, Ottomans, Germans and French had some great makeovers.
Dutch, Portugese and Russians arent that exciting though. Swedes got better stuff than them. Id expect these three to get another go later?
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I’d say the hakkapelit change was a step backward, Swedes already had a dragoon, it’s called a carolean.
Hakka did nasty damage on enemy musks with it’s high range damage with splash, so they sort of filled the role of skirmisher.
It is natural for you to get bored of playing a certain civ after a decade. The solution is for you to try a new civ or for the devs to make a new civ - not for the devs to change long established civs that many people haven’t gotten bored of yet, or haven’t even been tried for many. This has been a cardinal rule of DLC since 2004: DLC is merely meant to add to a game, not to radically change it.
Devs, if you want to be so creative you can feel free to go make your own game - not violate an existing one.
Edit: Note too, that the majority of the game’s players (and any new players of the future) aren’t going to be pros at hotkeying and microing and all of the other “basic” skills that many of us passionate vocal forum-goers take for granted. Players like that wouldn’t be nearly be nearly as bored playing French.
Well if you want to play the civs just like before, you can.
The ottomans honestly didn’t feel very ottoman if you ask me. They needed to be changed. They aren’t European in the first place. They are middle eastern.
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It is the pros who made the old civs “well established” and easily become boring for other players (while they still enjoy repeating the same build order). And it is they who oppose any changes.
I cannot see why a casual player who barely knows how to micro would disagree with more contents and more varieties. Because there is no well established playstyle for them at all, and they have more options to play, and even more options is definitely better.
If I just want to send a batch of units against AIs and naturally the more types of units I can use the better.
Funny thing is, whenever a huge update drops, the “vocal” casual players welcome it. The very vocal pros screams over it. And the dramatically vocal QueenMagatron screams everywhere right after seeing the text description of it.
BTW, old AOE3 is still on steam, in case you don’t now. No need to push a game you do not even play.
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Devs dont violate the game, they shine the age of 3 de with its potential.This game has reborn with dev efforts. Forum wants vanilla civs reworks and devs have made reworks. If you want first vanilla civs, you can play first version of the game.
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Yeah for a ridiculous price over $40. They might as well remove legacy from the store and treat AOE3 as a live-service game where previous iterations cease to exist in our plane of reality - like with WC3 Reforged and Overwatch 2.
→ Game is least popular mainstream AOE by far
→ Reborn the game with shine and potential
huh?
It’s a good chance to show your dedication. Why not? Make 10000 people buy the $40 legacy again and the devs will know how DE is a mistake and start promoting legacy with you as the speaker.
Yes it is. I think you dont play the game so dont post here your nonsense claims. Why are you here?
It’s an issue with interpretation.
You see a small playerbase and interpret that as the devs doing everything right.
I see a small playerbase and interpret that as the devs doing everything wrong.
Both interpretations are valid.
I’m here because I’m a massive fan of AOE3 in general, and I have sympathies for both legacy players and DE players, along with any future players of the game or any potential future iteration of the game.
Also it is important to add balance to conversations. Uncontested praise in small echo chambers do nothing to help a game. My actions are borne of love.
Edit: “Everything wrong” is a clear exaggeration, sorry. I disagree with a lot of FE’s choices but I still respect and admire the hard work and passion seen by many of the devs.
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While you are none of the playerbase.
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They play age of 4 to earn the money. Age of 4 have less festures than age of 3. Even age of 4 players says that age of 3 is better than 4 with every aspect.
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Obviously that isn’t realistic. As technology progresses there will always be new iterations and re-releases of beloved classics to meet demand and make money. I try to keep one foot in the past and one in the future so the devs can stay grounded and not forget the core of the game.
While you are not even playing it.
BTW I believe I’ve heard something very similar from AOE2 players back in 2005 on your foot in the past.
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What do you want really?
For this game to remain the same forever?
The devs have handled the issue of power creep. That is all. Compared to the new civs, the legacy civs felt devoid of any identity. Their only purpose to casual AoE3 players (at least those I know) was to help learn the game, and then none of my friends ever touched France or Germany again.
If you dont send the new cards or do the new revolts, the old civs are the same. What’s the problem?
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