Hi! I present to you my first full concept of a brand new civilisation: the Bohemians! I hope you like and enjoy it. If so, please leave a comment here. Huge thanks to Chilly for inspiring me to try and design new civs myself.
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I like the idea, that Czech landmark is a brewery (Klášternà Pivovar)
I consider the Hussites wars, with a Crusades and Mongol Expansion as most interesting part of medieval military history, so I would add them, or maybe directly civilisation called “Hussites”
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Considering recent history, I think straight out Hussites could be a Bohemian variant 
I just hope Jan Żiżka will not be a hero unit 
I had just thought that there could be a Hussite/Bohemia concept, yours turned out very well.
Of course, a substitute or addition to the halberdier could also be the Mail-paisant (update: “Flail paisant”), Bohemian Militia armed with flails, and which acts either as the onna-bugeisha, as a fast cheap infantry unit against archers and pikemen, or else with some bonus against ment. -at-arms and cavalry.
I like the idea of a mining bonus, as I understand Bohemia was created as a colony of the HRE for mining, but then its county achieved a certain independence, and more so during the Hussite wars, and the mining part became part of their idiocracy.
I have some other ideas for more unique units, but I’ll send them to you later, right now I have to go to work.
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That is another option, to have Bohemians and Hussites as variant… but I am sceptical about that
The Hussite era is what make Bohemian military medieval history special, so i would suggest to go directly with them
I would like to have Jan Żiżka as hero unit, but in campaign missions, not in skirmish or MP
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Did you mean flail? Which was a common weapon for Hussite peasants. I do think that having unarmored high damage unit would fit the Hussites much better than a Halberdier.
Yeah, a flail (mayal in spanish) like this guy of the right:
Was a common weapon, if not the most iconic, of the bohemians hussites.
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This is looking good. However, I’m not sure if this would become a thing because Bohemia was an Imperial State in the Holy Roman Empire but nonetheless, it’s still a possibility to add the Bohemians as a civ. Also, the Houfnice would be more appropriate as the replacement for the Bombard because the Houfnice was a cannon and not a catapult. The Halberdier should be the replacement for the Spearman and the Hussite Wagon should be added to this and it can be the Springald replacement.
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The Bohemians are already appearing in the Mongol campaign…
Regarding if this should be a normal civ or a variant: what all variants share with their base civ is language. Yes, Kingdom of Bohemia was part of HRE (tho with big dose of independence), but at the end of the day, people spoke some form of early Czech there. Of course there were German speakers too, but natives were Slavic and for this reason I think it should be its own civ.
Regarding Houfnice: as far as I know Houfnice was used as an anti-infantry weapon, so I used it to replace another anti-infantry unit (Mangonel). It is not about if its a cannon or catapul, but its role in the game. Houfnice is not a weapon used to crush walls, thus is should not be a Bombard replacement.
Bohemians in AoE 4 would be a really interesting civ with great history!!!
The progenitor of the Bohemian Kingdom was the Great Moravian State, which at some point came under the rule of the Přemyslids.
Personally, I call it the Czechsphere, which formed the Czech, Moravian, Slovak, Silesian, Lusatian and Vistulan nations.
It is worth noting that medieval Bohemia was very influential and rich. The Kingdom of Bohemia had a vast territory - from Brandenburg to the Adriatic Sea. Ottokar II Přemyslid, who ruled in the second half of the 13th century, made Bohemia an empire (although Austria and Carniola perished after his death).
Ottokar II Přemyslid, who ruled in the second half of the 13th century, made Bohemia an empire (although Austria and Carniola perished after his death). After his death, Bohemia, ruled by the Přemyslids, expanded to the North and even took over the crown of Poland.
But the Lands of the Crown of Bohemia for many centuries were Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia.
Shortly after Ottokar’s II Přemyslid death, the crown of Bohemia went to the Luxembourgs, during whose rule the Hussite Wars took place. Then Sigismund of Luxembourg appeared, who made Prague the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, and during his rule, the Kingdom of Bohemia was almost the heart of all Europe. But after his death, Bohemia became one of the Kingdoms that were part of the Habsburg Empire. As a result of the Silesian Wars, almost all of Silesia was transferred from Austria to Prussia, and as a result, the Kingdom of Bohemia lost a huge and rich territory. A similar fate befell Lusatia, which was divided between Brandenburg and Saxony. All these events influenced the contemporary shape of Czechia.
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Honestly, I most certainly would have no problem with the Bohemians being a major civ considering what you’ve pointed out. Now instead of the Houfnice replacing the Mangonel or the Bombard, how about it replaces the Culverin instead? I mean to be honest; it could serve as like a hybrid between the Ribauldequin and Culverin in terms of stats. When I said being similar to the Ribauldequin, I don’t mean multiple barrels being used but rather, it kills multiple infantry units.
It could replace the Ribauldequin, but Rib. is not a standard siege unit anyways And at this point (if we keep the Mangonel too) we are reaching unusually high number of units from Siege Workshop but it can go any way here really.
I think your concept of the Hussite War Wagon (Bojovy Voice) is very good, in fact I was considering making one and it was practically the same in that you shoot crossbow bolts and have a technology that changed the bolts for handcannons or Hákovnice more properly speaking. The stats thing is relative: considering that it is a 3 population and a Defensive siege unit aggainst melee (to defend ranged units), it could well have 350 or 450 HP and have high Melee armor (10) as the Ribauldequin, although not as expensive as this one (350w 500g). The crossbow shot and the handcannon make it a good element against Knights and Men-at-arm, which is practically what this unit was historically used for (against nobility units like Men-at-arm and Knights).
The “Houfnice” as a ######### of mangonel is either a great idea, principally to not have 2 siege units with the same area attack with a bonus aggainst range units (share the same function). The thing is that Bohemians still have the Counterweight Trebushet, so they still have a “catapult” en su arsenal, a si que ya están bien en lo que representación histórica corresponde.
Your concept is pretty good for a general Bohemian civ, without necessarily being just the Hussites, but the Bohemian Nobility and with natural elements such as being part of the HRE (Early Men-at-arm) or the brewmasters.
Of course, the “Hussites” could well be a civ variant of this Civ. I would imagine them as a version of the Bohemians of pure peasants without bow skills (no archers) and without noble units (Men-at-arms). Actually, I felt inspired, and this is how I would imagine a variant:
Hussites (Bohemian variant):
- They share the Bohemian “Deep mine” Mechanic and building.
- They do not have the brewmaster mechanic (due to the beliefs of some Hussites against Gluttony)
- They lack Men-at-arm, Archers and Culverin.
- Monks from 1st age cost food, and religious technologies cost only food and wood.
- Monks can work as villagers, and give economic benefits to the surrounding villagers.
- Free villagers (communal living), similar to AoE-III Ottoman town centers
- Many technologies and bonuses with Hussite tanks.
- Maybe other landmarks, some from Tabor (city founded by the Hussites).
- Shared unique units: “Houfnice”, “Bojovy Voice”
- New unique Units:
– Prakata (II).- Young slinger that replaces archer, with less health (because is a teenager) and attack but a lighty bonus aggainst heavy infantry. Good against melee infantry.
– CepnĂk (II).- fast infantry armed with a “Flail”, anti-archers and for raids (As the Japanese Onna-bugeisha)
– Rebel Destroyer (II).- armed with a Morningstar, act as an anti-armor light infantry (As Musofadi warrior)
– Pistala gunman (III).- early handcanonner, cheaper but with less health and attack.
– Tarasnice.- Siege Gunpowder unit, more powerful than Springald but less than Culverin. Good aggainst other siege units and have a bonus aggainst range units.
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And the Hussite wagon?..or would it be exclusive to the Bohemians?..
The Early Medieval Czhechoslovakia 
The Czechs were one of the tribes within the Moravian Realm, and after its collapse promiment in new Czech (Bohemian) Duchy / Kingdom. The west branch of ######## ##### formed into modern nation of Czechs within Bohemian kingdom, and east branch formed into modern nation of Slovaks within medieval kigdom of Hungary.
BTW the re-unification of these both “branches” from Moravian Real in one state was an official philosophy behind the establishment of the Czechoslovakia after WW1.
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That’s why I think that Bohemians civ in AoE 4 MUST have a strong reference to the Great Moravian Empire - at least at the beginning of the game (maybe some unique mechanics related to the lands of the Bohemian Crown?). Bohemians civ in AoE 2 refers almost exclusively to the Hussite times.
If we would deeper, this will be complex “ethnology” discussion or “an evolution of the nation”
The Great Moravia was something like “the first phase” in the forming of modern Czech nation(Bohemians), but The Great Moravia was not Czech/Bohemian. And It is “the first phase” also for the modern nation of Slovaks, which formed within medieval Hungary…
It is similar to relationship between Franks and Germans or French, or Visigothic Kingdom and Spain…
The Great Moravia existed for less than a hundred years (9th century), and the Bohemia was one of “the succesor state”
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