Yeah. The boomerang weapon I mentioned here is the Valari.
The other UU can be the Chakram Thrower…
Well yeah, but I would save the Chakram Thrower for the Gurjara-Pratihara because the Valari is the weapon that’s primarily used by the Tamil people.
Yes, although I still meant the urumi swordsman…
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Ok, but the Urumi Swordsman is mentioned here on this thread.
Well, we cannot edit the post anymore, so this comentary is for the replace of the Crosbowmen:
[Valari Thrower]
- Cost: 80 Food and 40 Gold
- Training time: 21 seconds
- Hitpoints: 65 (Regular), 80 (Veteran), 95 (Elite)
- Pierce attack: 7 (Regular), 9 (Veteran), 11 (Elite)
- Attack bonus: +6 vs. Heavy (Regular), +8 vs. Heavy (Veteran), +10 vs. Heavy (Elite)
- Rate of Fire: 1.80 seconds
- Range: 4 tiles
- Melee armor: 0
- Pierce armor: 0
- Speed: 1.36 tiles/second
- Upgrade cost: 75 Food and 150 Gold (Veteran), 300 Food and 700 Gold (Elite)
- Upgrade time: 30 seconds (Veteran), 60 seconds (Elite)
- Availabe in Age II.
Djong Ship: Springald ship shared with the Mayapit Empire that is more resistant and shoots a little bit faster.
I don’t think Djong/Jong is fit for Chola civ. Djong characteristics are noticeably Austronesian (the use of double quarter rudders and the use of tanja sail). Indian ships are using square sails or tall but narrow square sails. Also, no record of jong existed about its usage by Indian polities.
It is more suited as the unique ship for Javanese civ. Or probably shared for Nusantaran (i.e. Maritime Southeast Asian) civs. They are recorded first in a Balinese inscription written in Old Javanese (1065 AD or 11th century), and then recorded as being used by the Sundanese in 1357 AD. The Malays recorded jong quite late, in the 15th century AD, being recorded in Hikayat Raja-Raja Pasai (composed between 1428 and 1448).
They may have been known as far as the Philippines, as the Juanga may have its etymological roots from jong. Burmese civ, if available, may also use jong, as Pegu/Bago produced it too.
Djong would be a counterpart to the Chinese baochuan, as they’re about the same size (the largest djong is bigger and heavier than the largest baochuan), and they would be a cannon ship/heavy ship, as the Javanese recorded them using bedil (cannon or any gunpowder weapon). The Portuguese who encountered them in the 16th century also recorded cannons being used.
I don’t understand what the obsession is with giving Indian civs silly weapons. There’s a difference between martial arts weapons and actual battlefield weapons. The Urumi is just a terrible weapon in basically all actual battle scenarios vs all opponents. And a stone age throwing stick is no better. When it came down to it, there’s a reason soldiers went into battle with swords, spears, axes, bows, etc.
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I think having the Djong be available would still be fine. As you said, the Djong can also be available to the Burmese, which I don’t mind either (though both, the Burmese and Cholas didn’t have Djong). Djong would maybe still be a regional ship. Now if the Southeast Asian civs were to have their version of the Warship (also shared with the South Indian civs), I’m thinking that it can be the Lancang.
Those units using “silly weapons” are meant to give the Chola Dynasty, a unique representation. Also, the Valari Thrower is meant to be the replacement for the Crossbowman because as someone mentioned, Crossbows were not widely used in South Asia.
I think in the end they’re going to end up adding the Vijayanagara empire, instead of the Chola. The Chola fell before 1279, and above where their kingdom stood the Vijayanagara flourished. Still I really like your Civ creation.
THOUGH, it might keep it ithe devs consider the story I read about the dynasty surviving as a branch in their Indonesian conquests (The ones in the last level of the Chola campaign of Aoe2DE:IndianDynasties), and then fighting Vijayanagara, and fighting on top of that against Spain.
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" The fate of Virasekhara Chola, the last of the line of Cholas is not known. It is speculated that he either fell in battle or was put to death along with his heirs of him during his encounter with Vijayanagara.[94][95] However, the Chola dynasty seemed to have survived elsewhere outside of India. According to Cebuano oral legends, a rebel branch of the Chola dynasty continued to survive in the Philippines up until the 16th Century, a local Malayo-Tamil Indianized kingdom called the Rajahnate of Cebu which settled on the island of Cebu which was founded by Rajamuda Sri Lumay who was half Tamil, half Malay. He was born in the previously Chola occupied Srivijaya.[96] He was sent by the Maharajah to establish a base for expeditionary forces, but he rebelled and established his own independent rajahnate. The Indianized kingdom flourished until its eventual conquest by Conquistador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi, who with his Spanish and Latino soldiers had sailed to the Philippines from Mexico."
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I’m eager to do my own speculation on Vijayanagara, but I still don’t find them to be a good unique unit, apart from the weapons used by classic Indian soldiers (Urumi, etc). Also considering that the architecture of the Chola was very different from the Vijayanagara, (whose origin is uncertain, it seems that they were generals who from nothing formed their own dynasty overnight with nationalists well-intentioned in defending Hinduism), yes It would seem to be 2 different civs with different landmarks.
At least the Chola Dynasty did exist throughout the majority of the Medieval era considering that it was first establish in 300 BC (AoE1 timeframe right there) and yes you are right, it did end in 1279 AD.
You can give it multiple uus as they had soldiers from all over south india tamils thelengus kannadas malabari and even muslims as mercs.
I made a civilization concept for them here, take a look if you’re interested:
I did a lot of research on them and ended up settling on a few different unique units that I felt were interesting but also felt grounded and realistic. For example, if you wanted to focus on traditional South Indian weapons, daggers would be way more suitable than something like an Urumi, since almost all soldiers carried one and they had a lot of symbolism as well.
Or better yet, let’s go with the Lancaran rather than the Lancang.
I got an idea of another unique technology to add and that is the following:
- Professional Handling - Elephant units cost -1 pop cap. Available at the Blacksmith starting in the Imperial Age.
As the Djong and Lancaran are the new Springald Ship and Warship respectively, I expect them to be given to certain South and Southeast Asian civs.