Conceding to unneccessary political censorship is not a right direction at all.
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Thats a subjective matter what might not be right for people in europe might be ok for asians.
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I love the game, i like having more civs and tibethans are on the top of many players lists but adding a desirable civ should not be more important than historical objectivity. If we take the medieval history of Tibeth from CCP textbooks this is only legitimising and “selling” this false ideology only to get another desireble civ in the game.
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[Poll Which civs would you like to see in the game? (All popularly requested civs included)]([Poll](Updated) Which civs would you like to see in the game? (All popularly requested civs included))
在这里，玩家们投票最希望添加的民族是吐蕃。通过政治审查的目的是为了保证AOE的销售和开发人员的收益。
Here, you can see that the nation that the players voted to add the most is Tibetans. The purpose of passing political review is to ensure AOE sales and developers’ income.
在中国有句谚语叫做“胜者为王，败者为寇”。历史由胜利者书写。但是，中国史书作者们认为历史是不可篡改的，但他可以断章取义，可以通过修辞和文字来美化。
这不是一种虚假的意识形态，这是一种政治手段。与之类似，我们的目的不是篡改历史，而是避开敏感的部分，想办法保证AOE的销量和开发者的收入的前提下，让这个游戏更加完整。
There is a Chinese proverb called “The winner is the king, and the loser is the bandit.” History is written by victors. However, the authors of Chinese history books believe that history cannot be tampered with, but he can take it out of context and beautify it with rhetoric and words.
This is not a false ideology, it is a political method. In the same way, our goal is not to tamper with history, but to avoid sensitive parts and find ways to make this game more complete. And guarantee the sales of AOE and the income of developers.
Do you know what you are writing here?
You actually made clear that and why tibetians can never be added in aoe2.
The political implications are just too threatening.
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History is written by the winners argument is well known. Its usually used to to explain certain falcifications. Yet in modern day history is a science aiming at objective knowledge based on certain facts. It is not something to be negotiated about.
And yes interpreting and changing historical events to serve certain agenda so history is used as political tool does in fact mean there is a false ideology.
The number of possible sales argument means nothing when we talk about historical objectivity and not giving up to CCP ideology. It only makes things look worse.
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It is really ridiculous to rationalize the political censorship. Why do other players need to follow the censorship? Even steam and Nintendo developed a Chinese specialized version respectively for Chinese players. But they just still crave for games in non-specialized version. We can still see considerable number of Chinese players.
I mean even the game is banned in China, the potential players will still find a way to buy the game. Do not rationalize the censorship.
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Good thing devs are not thinking like you and risking the game.
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You mean AOE2 is banned in China?
Mr.Yo is Chinese player, top seed
I meant to say ‘even if’
if the game implies that Tibet is not part of China, then the game may be banned from being sold in mainland China.
You do realise the problem is the censorship but not the Tibetans as a different civ? It is way more reasonable to ask the Chinese government to lift the censorship rather than apply censorship to aoe.
If this is the case, I don’t find it good at all but very worrying. The progress of developing is hindered by the censorship.
非常抱歉中国政府的政治审查制度给世界玩家们来了困扰，但是让中国政府取消关于西藏方面的政治审查制度是不可能的。个人认为这个不仅仅是政治问题，这还是一个民族的感情问题。你需要知道东亚人的民族意识和国家意识，与欧洲人是有区别的。
I’m very sorry that the Chinese government’s political censorship system has troubled players around the world, but it is impossible for the Chinese government to cancel the political censorship system on Tibet. I personally think that this is not just a political issue, but a nation’s emotional issue. You need to know that the national consciousness and national consciousness of East Asians is different from Europeans.
比如朝鲜族，无论是北韩人民还是南韩人民，甚至在中国东北的朝鲜族，他们都希望朝鲜是 一个整体，是一个国家，而不是独立的两个国家，这是东亚人的民族感情，只是政治阻碍了他们。越南人民做到了，他们如今就是一个多民族的整体，是一个团结的国家。
我们能把所有日耳曼民族的能合并成一个国家吗？不能，他们会寻求独立。东亚和欧洲有着不一样的历史，他们的人民对于国家，领土和民族有着不一样的思路和认知。
For example, the Koreans, whether they are the people of North Korea or South Korea, or even the Korean people in Northeast China, they all hope that Korea is a whole, is one country, and not two independent countries. This is the national sentiment of East Asians, but politics hinders them. The Vietnamese people have done it. They are now a multi-ethnic whole and a united country.
Can we merge all the Germanic nations into one country? No, they will seek independence. East Asia and Europe have different histories, and their people have different thoughts and cognitions about countries, territories, and nations.
我们能做的，只是讨论如何绕过中国政府的政治审查。再次抱歉，因为我的政府。
All we can do is discuss how to bypass the Chinese government’s political censorship. Sorry again because my government
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没有人能比中国玩家更加清楚中国政府的制度，所以作为一个中国玩家，正在想办法帮助AOE官方顺利的添加吐蕃，帮助世界的玩家可以选择吐蕃，如果AOE官方有添加吐蕃的想法。
最后实际情况这个帖子都在讨论政治和领土，抱怨中国政府，这让我感觉很抱歉也很伤心
No one knows the Chinese government censorship system better than Chinese players, so as a Chinese player, I am trying to help AOE officials to add Tibetans, and trying to help players have the opportunity to choose Tibetans. If AOE officials have the idea of adding Tibet.
In the end, the actual situation. This post is discussing politics and territories, and complaining about the Chinese government, which makes me feel sorry and sad.
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Ok let me ask you that question. Why should the aoe devs ask chinese gov permission for adding a specific civ?
Because they didn’t asked any other government. They didn’t needed to ask germany for adding teutons. They didn’t needed to ask russia for adding tatars.
Do you see what’s the problem?
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Just do what valve and Nintendo did. Make a Chinese specialised version, separating the Chinese players and other players. Other players are unaffected and problem solved.
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Or we just decide that we accept that “one china” policy.
There is one china out there, there is one china in the game. Problem solved. No political implications.
And btw, just to mention this. By doing this the devs actually do the people in china a favor. Maybe they don’t see it like that, but it actually makes playing the game easier for them. It’s basically in all peoples interest to not separate the chinese civ under the given circumstances.
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I’d guess that the average historically inclined Chinese player knows the local history better than the average American/European. Would check out logically.
mainland china and tibet are different, they are far from being “local”