These models of units are still fine, but could you please give more love to Spearmen?

Seeing the Byzantines and Japanese with non-civ specific polearms, makes me sad :frowning:

And why is it only the spearmen? Knights get their own and men at arms get their own. There are no European swords on the Samurai.

If they want to have it that way, they should just use ‘normal’ spears for everyone instead of the Guisarme…


It is a weird case indeed. Back when @SavageEmpire566 empire still collected bug reports, they noted multiple times that this was known and was low priority. It isn’t per se that they neglected the spears either, some correct spears do actually appear in the game–but only when the units are charging.

So it suggests that they originally held their true spear models, until it was overriden. It would explain why they still appear as artifacts during the charge (as they may not have gotten around to that). It could also just have been the case that they managed to implement the real spears only for the charge animations, but not for the actual baseline model, which I find harder to believe. It just seems like there was a mistake somewhere.

What has made us scratch our heads even more is how much of a simple fix it is for a lot of the existing spears. There are mods that fix this, which have been around for just as long as the editor itself. For a long time I thought this was simply related to the fact that they do not have enough resources to patch this up, even rudimentary small issues like this, but many claim that it is intentional–and with the style of communication they have, it is somewhat impossible to know.

One assumes malice, the other assumes lack of resources or just incompetence. Not a good look either way.

This I agree with you completely! I sincerely hope that they just change them into something more appropriate since all other units in the game have their own weapons.

Except the spearmen, which just makes the whole thing awkward and weird. Especially as you said that they have the correct ones that do look better.

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Damn, although I don’t find any performance about the spearmen of Jeanne d’Arc, but we could confirm the spearmen of the Zhu Xi and Japanese are clearly used those ugly guisarmes.

Oh lord, how much did they love this weapon to equiped both the Chinese and Japanese armies with it.
Couldn’t they find a more “universal” looking spear to replace it?

At least I don’t need a unified guisarme model to enhance identification, I’m not those persons who nearly blind.

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I hope they stop using the Guisarme as a baseline model for all civilizations as it is a very specifically western european one and just does not look right serving as a baseline for all civilizations. The colour coding of bronze, iron and gold showing what upgrade the unit has should be sufficient, and the baseline Spear should be a lot more neutral. Speaking of material, weapons probably shouldn’t be devoid of it–pure colouring for metal does not look right, and never has.

I think the Donso is a good example of what should be done and new weapon models ought not to be reserved just for upgrades like Japanese Spearmen Yari or HRE Maces. Seeing a unique unit like the Limitanei wielding the Guisarme just feels wrong.

Also, Spearmen are not the only units whose weapons are wonky, in addition to everything listed above, you have Mounted Samurai hitting units with the backside of their blade, Elite Varangian Guards hitting units with the flat side of their axe like a spade. I think they could spend some time to tidy up these mistakes.

Yup, even if they use the French halberd as a universal version, it’s much better than Guisarme. Because the French one looks much more solid, but not a flat piece of plastic.

And, to be honest, I hate the shape of that Guisarme for its ugly hook, especially since this weapon has not been widely equipped worldwide, why force this freak to every civs?

I had tried to made a tuning pack which could let Byzantine spears not be upgraded after Castle, and
personal speaking, I believe these do looks far more better, even if it doesn’t look as luxurious as before.
I’d rather choose simplicity than freak.


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They do look far better in your images.

We hope the developers will add an option in the game settings in a future update that allows players to choose whether unit skins look historical or eSports. This will satisfy players with different needs. After all, most players are casual players rather than e-sports players.


It strikes me as odd that they’d “reserve” unique models for unique units, yet the Limitanei wields a Guisarme just like any other Spearman (unlike the Donso who gets their own). Even when models already exist for differing civilizations (Mongol, French, China), they’re not utilized presumably because of someone holds on to the notion that it helps gameplay to withhold them.

Is it really too much to ask for to have one developer iron this out in a day? These aren’t difficult changes and makes the game look silly to anyone with a slight interest in history and authentic representations.

Honestly, I don’t know why they really like that ugly hook, that’s never a universal design on the Eurasian continent. But they just equipped this ugly hook for almost all civs.