The true Mongol players know that it is Mangudai + Siege Ram in the endgame.
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Just going by âwin rateâ doesnt tell the whole story. the fact that everyone tries to kill mongols âbefore they can get to mangudaiâ only reinforces the obvious fact that the unit is super unbalanced. No other civ do you have a mono unit which you can spam only that no matter what the opponent does. How often have I ever seen mongols using their fast siege? In my personal experience, never.
Does anyone actually enjoy playing versus mongols? Its the only civ that I think âIâd rather not, do I have to?â. I have literally never had a game versus them that I enjoyed. ( I admit Im biased- but I like to be able to build and use a siege workshop and trebs). Against no other civ are siege workshop units useless.
If the unit was nerfed, Mongol players would have to think about building another unit maybe. Or try some of the cool stuff that could be done with fast moving siege.
Mongols constantly use Drill Siege.
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Excepr not all civs have good cav archers and youâre answer is to tell them to make an insanely gold heavy comp or cav archer paladin
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As I said, I have never seen it in a single game I have played versus them, and Ive played about 7-800 hours of de.
Then you played against noobs. not using the fast mongol siege is suicide especially against ranged civs
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Viper game in which he goes Turks vs Mongols.Mongols player spams a few Rams and arguably lot because he made them too late.
Another Viper game, Mongols opponent uses Drill Trebs to good effect.
Mongols Drill Rams is the reason why Mangudai usually survive Skirms. Without them, they just disappear.
There was a Viper gme a few months ago, where he went Vietnamese Mass Skirms and BBC against Mangudai, and was constantly pushing the Mongols player back because he made no Rams.
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Why is neccesary nerf the Mangudai?, they are amazing in large numbers combined with Hussars and Steppe Lancers and you really feel the Horde approaching, they are fine.
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You just answered your own question. âBecause they are amazingâ
And myself said, they are fine.
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Even the pros think Mangudai are OP. Watch this video and tell me Mangudai donât need nerfing.
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thats just a clickbait title from hera. Although I wouldnât oppose nerfing castle age mangudai frame delay back to 10
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Watch the video and the chat between the players, it is clear that they both think the unit is OP, more than just a clickbait title.
In fact, check out the comments below the video, and Heraâs response to them. The evidence is overwhemling.
I have a Mangudai icon?
Not to mention that I showed you 2 videos of Mongols using Siege, when you said they do nothing more than Mangudai.
Mangudai are easy to counter with Skirms.
I already have, Daut did the risky all in 1TC Saracen push and Hera defended well and boomed behind so it didnât work, no mangudai role here. Then Hera gets 8 mangudai in Dautâs base with a single TC with no army around to defend, ofc the unprotected vills all around the map are gonna die to fast ranged units.
And I donât understand why get so personal and the calling out? And confusingly right after I suggested a big nerf? A sensible nerf that one, not something like making mangudai slower than a knight
Ahh yes, youtube comments and the youtuber responding âFACTS!â, overwhelming indeed
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Why you remember me a guy that once used a ugly meme as profile and overreacted the Leitis after buff, and used the same way to rant like you with the Mangudai?
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Yes exactly. Rams with drill + elite mangudai. If you attack rams, mangudai kill your army. If you attack mangudai, rams kill your base.
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And not all civs have halberdiers. You can use skirmishers against halberdiers, and skirmishers even have extra damage against halberdiers.
I dont know what elo youâre playing at but I see it used literally all the time.
In fact I use it myself all the time too, especially against civs that just mass spam units.
Drill heavy scorpions + mongol hussars is one of the best things about mongols.
And mangudai are not op, it sounds like you are being outplayed. I can do the same with english longbowmen as I can with mangudai for all intents and purposes and you would complain about them instead, trust me.
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pikes are still a solid alternative to halbs. and all the civs without halbs have something else to prop them up against cavalry.
heres the civs without halbs
aztecs - faster production, eagles, pikes, also get +4 extra attack
Berbers - cheap camels.
Italians - genoese crossbow
Malians - their pikes are extra resistant to damage and they get Camels with extra attack
Mongols - have camels
Saracens - Camels and UU
Turks - camels
Vikings - chieftans, extra hp on pikes.
fact is that paladins easily get killed by pikes/halbs/camels cost effectively. and they cost a ton to field as well.
i donât think mangudai need anything more then a slight nerf to their siege damage and paladins need no nerfs.