For middle age game Rus realy bad choise, couse in that time period it was tiny slav country on border europian world. Better choise is Great Moravia and descender, they located in central europe and made huge impact in medival time.
No they are not. Rus is a great choice, when you think about all the other civs they are introducing, and the campaigns they are going for. It draws a circle in the world map.
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I’ll just visualize what you said. from the first day I advocated that Poland be in the DLC but Moravia rlly ???
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sadly I don’t know so much about rus’, with my biase of western european, it’s not really something we learn, which is understabdable, there is so much interesting things to learn in History
But from what I know, the importance of Kievan Rus’, in term of legacy, claims, influence, heirs, etc … is as important than the claims and legacy of Roman Empire for western europe…
So no, Rus’ is not a small trope. It’s really a big part of the History of a bunch of important countries (like Russians) and how they interacted with the rest of europe is always studied.
Already with the Rus’ of Novgorod, their influence is noticeable on the important trades routes, and the hanseatic league…
It’s a great pick in same time in term of importance, and to change from more classic pick. I would have liked the same for some of the other picks
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That’s Ukranian not old rus.
In the middle age, East Europe has much more important countries like Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Poland, The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth stopped HRE and Teutonic Order. Moreover, Kyiv was part of Lithuania in that period. Russia was a poor populated and weak country with a huge territory.
well you can at least tell about hre right?
after all that was in westren europe too
the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is 16th century and does not belong to the Middle Ages.
I agree that Poland would be a good choice for some DLC because it would represent the entire Western Slavs. The Great Moravia lasted from 833 to 906/907. which is approximately a little more than 70 years, considering that the game deals with the period from the 9th to the 16th century, that is only one tenth of that time of the existence of such a state. I myself am not an Eastern Slav so I am not subjective whan i say that both things u said that it was weak and poor populated (unless you mean population density) don’t stand. you say that they were uninhabited and the lithuania you mention ruled from its centers in the area of today’s lithuania while the majority of the population were Slavs.
I am in favor of Poland being in the final version, but I think that for the start there is a much better choice of Rus from every possible aspect. further ask to include Moravian because you are from the Czech Republic or Slovakia and projecting your attitude towards Ukrainians Russians and Belarusians on historical facts is not worth mentioning
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I really disappoint with Russ because AOE4 has a too-short list of civs and there better alternatives. And Russ takes place of more influential civ and doesn’t fit in the timeline properly. And I think single-player compaine will be like AOE3 compaine strange and not historical.
I sincerely doubt that you know what you are talking about, you state contradiction after contradiction, I will withdraw from further discussion because I think it is in vain, because obviously emotionally you have something against Rus and this should certainly not be the subject of a forum
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I think that a good proposal for the civ would be - Polish-Lithuanian Union.
The Polish–Lithuanian Union was a relationship created by a series of acts and alliances between the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania that lasted for prolonged periods of time from 1385 and led to the creation of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, or the Republic of the Two Nations", in 1569 and eventually to the creation of a unitary state in 1791.
In my opinion, this is the best civ that would represent the territory between HRE and Rus civs. You have to remember that in AoE 4 all civs must be unique, so you cannot spam civs like in AoE 2. Civs elections for AoE 4 have to be the best possible, so Polish-Lithuanian Union can be a nice option.
It is also worth adding Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1301) and of course the Byzantine Empire to Eastern Europe.
These three civs along with Rus are more than enough to represent Eastern Europe in AoE 4 (keeping in mind that each civ must be asymmetric).
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how come?
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i think Poland would be a better choice because union is historically impossible, it only starts in the 15th century or the end of the 14 more precisely. also after the conclusion of the union the Duchy of Lithuania had a majority Slav population so for cultural and historical reasons because from 800 (of course it can be taken earlier) when the time of this game begins until 1385 it was independent i would suggest Poland as better choise
Well, that’s just a name …
In the description of this civ one can mention the separate history of these two countries, and then the unification.
This is the best option to create a civ that covers as large an area as possible. PLU would represent the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Kingdom of Poland would represent itself only.
Ascending of Moskovia was in the Early Modern period, in middle age Russia was no so influential and important.
yes but these are two completely different peoples who speak different languages and who during the time span covered by this game were not in alliance. HRE can have such a concept because it brought together the north of Italy and Bohemia the entire time frame of the Middle Ages, the same with Poland and Lithuania would be historical engineering. also the union did not represent a single state as opposed to the commonwealth but a union as the name suggests
My point is that Rus and its principalities existed during the whole timeline, so it fits.
And Kievan Rus was influential and rich in the early period. In addition, Rus covers a large and unique area from a cultural and ethnic perspective, I don’t see any problems here.
Rus interacted with Mongols, Western Slavs, Turkic khanates, Byzantium, Scandinavians, Germans, Finno-Ugric peoples, etc - a good choice for the starter pack.
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he trolls look at the beginning when he listed Great Moravia as a better choice
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But we don’t have any of these civs. Before Rus devs should add to the game Byzantium at least.
Most of these civs are a good choice including Rus. We have Mongols and Germans already, so Rus is not out of place. Though I’d prefer Byzantium first, but on the other hand Byz is to be added later with the Turks for obvious reasons.
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