It was tough to deal with 8-range standard Janissaries in Arena. How on earth is this not a buff?
(X) Turks need a buff
(O) You want to buff Turks
Win rate just shows Turks has been one of the top Arena civs even after janissary nerf.
(X) Turks gunpowder need buff
(O) Turks has one of the best and arguably the best gunpowder in game with Janissaries and Artillery
Which one? So we can see your reasoning.
Turtle Ships, Genoese Crossbows, and Missionaries have perhaps received the most buffs since their release. Meanwhile, the Turks got hit after hit. Janissary nerf, market nerf, Siege Engineer nerfs, increased Artillery cost and they are now overall outclassed by the other gunpowder civs. Even Portuguese Hand Cannoneers can trade gold-effectively against Elite Janissaries.
Sad to see the most fun civ to play, for me, in such a neglected state. They didn’t even bother to fix the Janissary’s attack dispersion from 0.75 to 0.5, or their stealthily reduced accuracy.
Until a proper mod with these fixes becomes popular, I’ll go with the Spanish or Portuguese instead. Better bombard cannons, better cannon galleons, better overall gunpowder, eco bonuses, wider tech tree, Feitorias and their unique units don’t die as easily to skirms and archers like Janissaries do. They’re also stronger on both water maps and Arabia.
The Ottomans were one of the major naval powers, yet the Turks have no water bonus at all. Both Spanish and Portuguese Cannon Galleons are much stronger.
Again, this doesn’t affect just Turks. Stop bringing this up.
they arent civ but ok… And between all the units you could quote. Turtle ships and missionaries, ofc they get buffs since they were known for being 2 extremely useless units.
Deserved.
hit every civ
turk had siege engineer?
to balance arena. Deserved.
only thing i agree on arabia at least. On arena they are still one of the most played with a good WR, just now they have more competition.
They have range advantage and no frame delay, do some micro…
they are supposed to be weak against them henceforth with the range nerf on castle jan. They are truly weak against them not the other way around.
definitively not.
one is a water civ, the other known for being an versatile civ.
yes
because they are specialized on other things that makes up for that?
Arena stat disagree with you
1 Jan were supposed to be weak against them. Henceforth with jan range nerf on castle age it’s true now instead of the other way around.
2. Conquistador aswell just they avoid it.
3. Organ gun? no need to tell you why.
Being a “naval civilization” is a blessing.
Nobody would call for a nerf just because you’re top-tier on water maps, it will be seen as normal. And being bad on non-water maps won’t be accepted either; people will still push to make them strong on all maps.
Like Italians or Portuguese. These civs are much stronger than Turks on water maps, Arabia, and most other maps. Yet it’s the Turks who keep getting nerfs (while Italians get non-stop buffs) just because Turks are slightly better than those civs on a single map. And Italians even have the advantage of two unique units that hard-counter the few strong units the Turks still have.
While Artillery BBCs are good, I’d still prefer the Portuguese ones. They have one less range, but they’re cheaper, have ballistics, faster projectiles, and are more deadly to buildings. They might be even better than the Houfnice or Ethiopian BBCs.
Nobody asks for buffs (or nerfs for that matter) even 0,0001% as much as you. I’m certain there’s a reason.
@II.Selim i need to ask: what is your ranking
you are stating the obvious.
slightly? before turks nerf, their wr on arena was near around 60% and not a single civ could match them on that map.
Civ bad matchup isnt new and doesnt concern only turks.
outside nerfs towarded arena, turks got very few change. Stop saying in a way like they get nerfs every patchs. As for italian the civ only started to shine now. Before that their buff were justified since GC and condo were so-so before DE.
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@EliteRiflemann @FloosWorld not to call mods over every little thing, but I think at this point Selim can be considered toxic and a spammer. He keeps bringing up the same stuff and name-calling anyone who calls him out.
As this thread seems to be about mostly circling around the same balance suggestions over and over again, I will close it.
